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Yea I don't understand how being the "ace" of developmental is supposed to help Cesaro feel more special to the audience that watches Raw. I think people under estimate how many people only watch Raw and not anything else. You don't need to "convert" the hardcore fans who watch NXT into thinking Cesaro is special, they already do.

I will take Buddy Moreno aka Omar Atlas We might as well move on to Jesse now since we all know that Cross Face/rainmaker wanted to take Precious.

I'm loving the service and am looking forward to the eventual Ken Lucas matches so I can see if his reputation lives up to the hype. I think he might be another guy like Gino to really benefit from a footage explosion.

I am about as sick as everyone else of hearing Cornette rant about modern wrestling but I do think he greatly summed up the problem with: “It used to be guys simulating a physical conflict with a resolution that people bought tickets to see. Now it’s talented athletes engaging in a choreographed, simulated contest that everybody knows is to be taken as entertainment." I don't think you can go back and have crowds as invested as they were in the 80s but I do think you could make people care more if you didn't have all this winking at the camera and talking about wanting to entertain the crowd or have 5 star matches.

Counterpoint: Magic zombie. Yes but on Walking Dead they talk about the zombies getting weaker the longer they go without eating. It's been so long since Taker took any souls that he's definitely not at the peak of his powers. I mean when is the last time he even threw a lightning bolt?

The only positive to take away from that is it makes it more likely that Brock wins on Sunday. Although I'm still really skeptical of that just because of how hard Heyman has buried Taker on the mic during the build up.

I'm usually not an advocate for really snarky chants but man I wish Ziggler would have gotten a "No one missed you chant"

Should probably send PMs since some people probably aren't checking this thread since it's not September yet.

Cena didn't assume the throne with the backlash already there, though. And is Roman really selling a lot of merch? I haven't read anything to that effect Cena was far more over in 2004-2005 than Reigns is now. I think the days of the fanbase unifying behind one dude are kind of over. Bryan had it but I still think there would have been a backlash coming if he'd have held on to the belt for very long after Mania 30. And yes, from what I've seen Reigns is #2 behind Cena as far as merchandise sales. Cena's backlash started almost the minute he showed up on Raw from Smackdown so it's not like it took very long and it's not like it influenced them to change direction.

He's still connecting to the audiences they really want to reach: women, kids and their parents. He's still selling a ton of merchandise. If the smarkety smarky don't like him I don't think it's going to matter. It hasn't kept John Cena from being the ace.

It's not about not having ideas, I have my HemisFair lineups written out until November and a year of general outline for my top guys. It has more to do with the fact that I had to quit smoking. Smoking & fantasy booking go together like peanut butter & jelly for me. In the past any time I had to take a break meant my TEW game went dormant. I smoked before I sat down to write every single one of my shows (insert "That's why they all suck" joke here) and without being able to toke any more, trying to sit down and write my shows just isn't working.

I only do 2 shows a week it's not an issue of doing too much.

I'm burnt out on this right now and I'm just gonna take some time away from writing shows until I get interested again. If I don't start feeling it again by September then you guys will have another draft full of scrubs to look forward to.

Could you kind of explain how the collection is organized? I know you've talked about the run sheets and what matches are on them but from what I can tell the tapes/reels themselves are not labeled as to their contents. Looking forward to more current/recent NWA uploads but I'm wondering how that is going to work. Right now you're uploading around one match a day, let's say on Wednesday you upload a current NWA match, would that mean there would be no classic match that day?

I don't know if the match made the Mid-South set but it's definitely not new. I have it on a Fabs compilation I got from XWT-Classics. It's a big time VQ upgrade though.

Yea I'm not sure they taped EVERYTHING on the card as Bruce Tharpe said something on twitter about Paul Boesch only taping "the best" matches.

Bruce Tharpe did an interview here: and I thought I'd just post this excerpt for people waiting on the Roku App

Charlie & Les welcome us to the show and let us know that Mr. Saito will be defending the Alabama Title on TV today against Bob Armstrong. We are also informed that Jerry Stubbs lost the World Jr. Title back to Les Thornton. We are also informed that Ron Fuller has vacated the Southeastern Title. We see an interview with Ron Fuller who talks about just having stitches taking out and talking to a neck specialist who has told him he shouldn't wrestle for the next 3-4 weeks. Ron talks about being turned on by John Valiant and then Jimmy Golden and how it's been more of a mental torment than a physical one. Ron has decided he's going to leave the Southeastern area because he feels like he's been humiliated by what happened to him and he's going to be competing in other parts of the country. Ron hands the Southeastern title over to Charlie Platt and says he doesn't have the heart or the desire to compete in the Southeastern area anymore. The first match of the day is the fake Japanese wrestling and actual Mexican - Oki Shikina vs. Paul Orndorff. I really do not like Shikina and think he's the worst guy I've seen in this territory whether that be Southeastern or Continental era. Oki's offense could be summed up with the words choppy choppy. Orndorff looks incredibly athletic in this match and pretty much squashed Shikina. After that match we have Condrey & Rose out to the desk to talk over footage of their title defense against Norvel Austin & Paul Orndorff. Condrey is a good talker who doesn't get his due in that department because he ended up with such a great manager like Cornette. Condrey & Rose are doing my favorite Southeastern thing where the heels talk about how great and virtuous they are, always playing by the rules against those dastardly cheating babyfaces. Randy Rose gets DQ'd for coming off the top rope but insists that "No, no I didn't come off the top rope because you see my left foot was on the second turnbuckle." Dennis calls it trick photography. We come back from commercial with a run down of the Monday night card at Boutwell which has Ken Lucas against Jimmy Golden, the Southeastern Champion (?) Ron Bass vs. Paul Orndorff, Norvel Austin, Bob & Brad Armstrong vs. Mr. Saito, Randy Rose & Dennis Condrey, the women's liberation tag match of Joyce Grable & Judy Martin vs. Roy Lee Welch & Robert Gibson (and I would love to see video of how that played out) and some other matches that don't interest me. Les tells us that there will be no wrestling on TV next week and then talks to Ron Bass & Paul Orndorff about their Southeastern Title match. They both want to have that title because whoever has the belt gets a shot at NWA World Champion Harley Race when he comes into the area in a few weeks. We go to another commercial and come back to Saito, Condrey & Rose with their titles. Saito says he's going to beat the hell out of Bob Armstrong retire him to sit at home, eat popcorn and watch TV. The next match of the show is Ron Bass facing the man who's brother he "retired" Robert Gibson. Bass grabs the mic from the ring announcer and says he's going to get to Gibson's leg today on TV and put him out just like he did his brother. This is really short as Ron Bass gets DQ'd for throwing Gibson over the top rope After another commercial break we come back to Charlie Platt doing a Personality Profile with Roy Lee Welch & Robert Gibson talking about their "Women's Liberation" match against Joyce Grable & Judy Martin. Charlie tells us that the women called Don Curtis and asked to face men and specifically asked for Jr. Heavyweights. They really play this straight with Roy saying he thought it was a joke by Don Curtis at first but thinking about it and realizing the women went through the same tough training as the men and that since the women are already former Women Tag Team Champions the only way to go any further in their careers is to start wrestling men. Charlie tells us this match has been booked in not just one town but all over the Southeastern area so the women have more than 1 chance. We hear from Bob Armstrong and he puts over the concept and the two women and I'm still blown away by how much they really put this match over and don't put down the women's chances of winning or being competitive. We get the funky bumper music and come back a SPLIT SCREEN promo of Mr. Saito and Charlie Platt on the left and Bob Armstrong & Les Theacher on the right talking about their match on TV today. After that we go to the ring for the Alabama Title match with Mr Saito defending his title against THE BULLET Bob Armstrong. This is a pretty good little match until we get a shitty ref bump as Bob picks Saito up for a bodyslam and the ref kicks hit by Saito's feet. Randy Rose comes and blasts Bob Armstrong over the head with a board and then another referee runs in and calls off the match as Bob Armstrong is totally laid out in the ring. The senior referee Tommy Weathers says he is going to hold the belt up and then they go to commercial. We come back to Les running down the Monday night card and then he talks to the Norvel, Bob & Brad about their 6 man tag coming up against Saito, Conrey & Rose. Bob cuts a good promo, as usual, and makes me want buy a ticket to see that 6 man tag. After that we get Jimmy Golden vs. jobber Ray Harris. Golden is a real shit head in this match and wins pretty easily with his swinging neckbreaker. After the match we get arena footage of Jimmy Golden vs. Mr. Wrestling II. Golden is great during this just talking shit about Ron Fuller, calling him a coward, saying he left the area because he's afraid of fighting Jimmy Golden. Golden beats Wrestling II after hitting him with a foreign object and starts talking some more trash to the fans in the studio audience about how's now the living legend of the area. Ken Lucas comes up behind him, taps him on the shoulder and then blasts him with a right hand. Lucas starts beating on him and Charlie screams "let's get out of here" which takes us to a commercial. After commercial we get Jimmy Golden ranting about Ken Lucas, saying he's whipped everyone around here for years but Jimmy Golden is to be the one to whip him. Then we get the rebuttal from Ken Lucas and after that Les & Charlie wrap up the day's events. *I have 11 consecutive posts in this thread, it'd be nice to get some feedback. I could get through these a lot faster without doing the writeups so it'd be nice to know it's not a waste of time.

I didn't know his wife wasn't the original Precious. I guess that was from Florida?

Another? I don't have any going on in Southwest. The only one I know of is in ICW with those fake Harts that Ron Garvin found to besmirch the good name of Brett.

That's up there as one of the all time best PWO posts. We as a community need to ensure that it is not lost.

Oh good, I'm in front of AWA so I can grab Precious to run some dueling valet angles. (J/k don't freak out rainmaker)

I watch all the Japanese wrestlers I need to. Mr. Saito is in the Southeastern stuff I'm watching right now and that's totally good enough for me.

That's a bit outside my area of interest but a very nice find. Terry Funk vs. Crusher Blackwell sounds very enticing.

*There was another episode before this one and I had the first 30 minutes of the show typed up and then took a nap at which point my computer decided to do an auto update and restart itself and lose everything I wrote up. So I will just say that Randy Rose won the tournament for the 1980 Corvette and some other stuff happened but this episode I have the full recap of is the more important one because it kicks off the big angle of 1981: Jimmy Golden's turn on Ron Fuller. Charlie & Les welcome us to the show and tell us that Dennis Condrey & Randy Rose will face Norvel Austin & Robert Gibson on TV today, Jerry Stubbs will face Roy Lee Welch and they run down the rest of the people who will be in action. Then they tell us about Jimmy Golden injuring Ron Fuller. We also find out that the U.S. Junior Title was decided in a one night tournament that was won by Brad Armstrong. Then out comes the Junior Champion himself who has already upped his 80s fro game to surpass his father Bullet Bob. Our first match of the day is the big tag match between the Southeastern Tag Team Champions, Condrey & Rose vs. Norvel & Robert Gibson. That's a pretty big TV match for this era whether it seems like it now reading this through your jaded 2015 eyes. And they don't even tell us how this match could main event any arena in the country, what a missed opportunity Charlie & Les! Ron Bass does guest commentary on this match to talk about Robert Gibson and then he gets involved in the finish by tripping Robert Gibson. After the match they go to Norvel & Paul Orndorff at the desk and they watch footage of their recent match at Boutwell against Condrey & Rose. Ordnorff & Norvel win the non-title match and now they'll be receiving a title match THIS MONDAY NIGHT. We go to commercial and come back with the Monday night rundown which includes Tony Atlas vs. Jimmy Golden, Mr. Saito vs. Bob Armstrong in a "karate is legal" match and Brad Amstrong against Jerry Stubbs in a No DQ match. Then we get a promo from Norvel & Orndorff about their title match. Neither of these guys are doing anything for me on the mic. Condrey & Rose have their rebuttal and say Orndorff & Norvel are only getting one shot at the belts and that's all they are going to want anyway. After that we get Jimmy Golden talking about all the people coming in to face him on behalf of The Tennessee Stud, Ron Fuller. Golden has the Stud mask with him and says that's all that is left of Ron Fuller and thanks all the people for sending their cards and letters to Ron Fuller to tell him that Golden was changed and Ron should take him as a partner. Fuller fell right into the spider's web and Golden ate him alive. Charlie asks him why he did it and Golden says he did it because the Fullers are Tennessee trash. The Fullers are always talking about breaking arms and breaking legs but Jimmy Golden is the one who put out Ron Fuller and if he doesn't fight him when he gets back out of the hospital then Ron is a gutless coward. Golden says Ron Fuller is not the Tennessee Stud anymore because Jimmy Golden is the Super Stud now. Our next match is the World Junior Champion Jerry Stubbs facing Roy Lee Welch. I guess Les Thorton dropped the belt during his trip through the area. Jerry Stubbs works this very much like a World Title match because Roy Lee Welch kind of dominates and then Stubbs reverses a pin attempt at the end and eeks out a win. Pretty good little TV match for this era. After the match we get an interview with Jerry Stubbs where he talks about the one night tournament that Brad Armstrong won for the U.S. Junior Title. Oh, now I figure out that Stubbs wasn't even in that tournament because he faced Les Thornton that night and beat him for the World Junior Title. Now he says he's going to beat Brad Armstrong and be the first man to have both the U.S. and the World Junior Titles at the same time. After a commercial break we come back to a Les Thatcher talking to Mr. Saito in the ring and Saito is going to do "demonstration" of his version of the sleeperhold on Roy Lee Welch. I get that they taped this earlier than the Welch/Stubbs match but they didn't really specify that and it kind of looks silly for Welch to be in perfect condition now when he was just in a match on the earlier segment. But anyway, you know how this goes Saito demonstrates how the hold works but then cinches it in and won't let go. Saito goes off on the referee who tries to pull him off and puts him in the Sleeper until Bob Armstrong hits the ring and starts kicking his ass. Armstrong puts his own sleeper on Saito and then Condrey & Rose come and grab Saito's legs and pull him out of the ring. After that we get Bob Armstrong at the desk and they talk over footage of him vs. Saito from the arena. I love hearing Bob Armstrong talk about Saito's karate. In this match Armstrong gets the sleeper on Saito just like the TV angle they just ran and Condrey & Rose come out and attack him 3 on 1. Saito puts Bob out with the sleeper until the other babyfaces run out and help clear the ring. After the commercial we come back to more promos from Saito & Bob Armstrong talking about their "non sanctioned Karate is legal" match this Monday night. Bob is the best "Everytime I turn around in Birmingham, that Saito is karateing me half to death, well why not make it legal? Let's just karate each other and like I said before he might be a master he might know a million way to chop me to pieces but I know one darn good way to chop you brother, and you know what, it only takes on Les, one in the right place brother and you will go down like the big Japanese man that you are." Ohh then he drops this line at the end "In Boutwell we gonna get it on karate, kung fu or boogaloo." Bob Armstrong is the best. Our next match is Jimmy Golden against Jimmy Jones. Jimmy Golden has already gone over to full on heel tactics in his matches and Les talks about how Golden is more comfortable working this style now that he doesn't have to fool Ron Fuller any more. Jimmy Golden wins with a neckbreaker and pins Jones like a dickhead, essentially sitting on his chest/face. After the match Golden goes over to the desk to talk to Les & Charlie. Now we are going to see footage of the Double Bullrope match where Golden turned on his partner Ron Fuller when they faced Don & Ron Bass. Ron Fuller has Don Bass in the Fuller Leglock and we are told he had broken Don Bass' leg with that hold when Ron & Jimmy Golden come back in and attack him. They untie the bullropes from Don Bass and themselves and then start tying them one to each arm of Ron Fuller. Jimmy Golden says Ron Fuller has broken leg after leg but he's not going to break any more because he's GONE! They take the ropes and tie them to opposite corners and Ron Fuller can't go anywhere or do anything and Jimmy Golden then pulls the Tennessee Stud mask off of Ron Fuller. They keep beating on him and Golden stomps him right in the nuts as Les asks Golden why he says Ron Fuller deserved this when he's never tied anyone up like what Golden did to him. Golden says he doesn't care, he's seen both the Fullers do horrible things that you can't even imagine and says they've had a silver spoon in their mouth their whole lives and when things get tough they're always heading out the back door. Golden says The Tennessee Stud is gone for good and now there is only the Super Stud. Golden once again thanks the fans for their letters to Ron Fuller that helped make this happen. Charlie Platt gets disgusted and walks off which sets Golden off on another tirade and they start wrapping the segment up to go to commercial as Jimmy yells that they need to just buy more time instead of cutting him off. Really good stuff and this is the angle that got me hooked on Southeastern and made me track down and collect an 80+ DVD collection of this territory. They really put this over by having big stars coming in to avenge Ron Fuller like Tony Atlas this week and then Mr. Wrestling II and Ken Lucas come in after that. Before the show ends they show a video promo by Tony Atlas from Georgia talking about his friendship with Ron & Robert Fuller and how they looked out for him when he was a young guy just starting in the business when everyone else was trying to take advantage of him. Apparently Robert lose some kind of loser leaves so he can't come in and get Jimmy Golden so Tony is going to do it for him. Les Thatcher wraps up the show and runs down the card for Monday night again and that's all for this episode.