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I honestly don't even know what this "everybody else does" stuff is that you're talking about. Give me some examples at least. Because no one else has grabbed the head of the company on camera like that for no reason at all.

The only person who knows why he would had done it was Titus, by the way. There WASN'T a reason to do it. That's the whole reason he got suspended. It was stupid and pointless and UNPROFESSIONAL In the WWE and all the stuff that happens he deserves to be suspended for this? How many people are freaking unprofessoinal on camera in the WWE? And wasn't the story for the suspension that they are tired of the unprofessional conduct and wanted to send a message?

The only person who knows why he would had done it was Titus, by the way. There WASN'T a reason to do it. That's the whole reason he got suspended. It was stupid and pointless and UNPROFESSIONAL

Yea but the only person who could have put out that reasoning is Titus himself. And it screams "oh shit I'm in trouble let me think of the best sounding bullshit reason I can think of for why I did this"

So random internet report that Titus grabbed Vince to be the chivalrous white knight for princess Stephanie McMahon is gospel truth but the report that WWE suspended him because they want people to act more professional needs to be met with conspiracy theories and cries of racism?

Those are OLD stories. And they are also all pretty much with Vince initiating the contact. Pretty sure Vince was the one who asked for the Hart Attack. And the boss can get away with pushing you in the pool but only a fool would think that means you're going to be able to do it to him. That's how these things work. It's not some distinct "Vince is evil~!" thing.

Except that kind of actions is encouraged backstage and expected. Grabbing Vince McMahon is encouraged and expected? What are you basing that assumption on? A story from like 15 years ago of Vince McMahon tackling Kurt Angle on a plane?

Anyone that grabbed the big boss of their company like that as he was walking out of a meeting, for no reason at all, would receive punishment. I don't know why people are expecting wrestling to have different rules in that regard just because Vince McMahon has taken bumps before. There was absolutely NO reason for Titus to do it. It is what they called it: unprofessional conduct. Would they have suspended Cena 90 days for doing that? Probably not. But they would have also probably fired a guy like Adam Rose or one of the Ascension scrubs for doing it.

If the complaint is that Meltzer isn't "objective" then Dave trying to shape his opinions around whether or not they are going to be criticized is even LESS objective.

That's just insane. He was hiding post-concussion seizures yet the prevailing opinion was that WWE was the bad guy for not letting him wrestle again.

From 411's summary of Meltzer's audio update on this subject:

What's wrong with the Morton/Koloff inclusion? It's a Russian Chain match. It's a pretty solid gimmick match with a big angle at the end.

A little more evidence against the idea that "100% of the audience has rejected Roman"

Mike the Big Un?

This would require WWE to turn Ziggler heel and have Roman go over him constantly. The problem is that Roman is currently working and in some cases going over people who are better than him. The crowd is going to shit on Reigns when he is getting the better of Wyatt, Cesaro, Rollins, Ambrose, Owens, etc. In what way are Ambrose and Wyatt better than Reigns? If you were arguing that they should ignore the crowd, you convinced me.

I get it. You've staked your claim and will now go to the ends of the earth to defend it. The reactions at TLC or Raw when he won the title didn't happen because you didn't see them. And there aren't any fans buying his merchandise because you've declared he's been rejected by 100% of the audience. And if I were to go looking for fancams of house shows where he's over I guess that would just be piped in crowd noise.

But this is the part that I really DON'T understand. Because he was one of the top 3 best guys in WWE in 2015. Way better than guys with more "smark cred" like Ambrose or Ziggler.

So Roman Reigns only sells merchandise to non-fans at Hot Topic and no one is buying it off of the WWE Shop or at live events? Breaking news from JerryvonKramer

I'm not sure where I said he was only over with kids though. He's popular with women and believe it not even some grown men. Everything I ever read about merchandise sales says that his stuff sells. And that he's either the most over or 2nd most over guy on house shows (outside of the UK)

I know you don't watch WWE regularly but you must not have watched it at all in the past 10 years if you're going to act like you've never seen a kid all decked out in full John Cena gear.

Why in your mind are you equating merchandise sales to action figures instead of T-SHIRTS?

It didn't seem to hurt John Cena's popularity with kids at all so I'm not thinking it's a huge deal. We already HAD a generation of kids that grew up that way.

As far as specific matches you HAVE to watch the Texas Death Match in a Cage between him and Gino. That would give him a good chance to talk about as much of that feud as he remembers. The match with The Guerreros vs. Jose & Al Madril is another I would like to get his thoughts on just because he has a lot of history with all those guys.

SOME of the fanbase. The most vocal part but I'm not even sure if they're a majority. I wouldn't blow up my entire business model to cater to them because I've already got history on my side that shows I can piss them all off and have them hate my top babyface and still make money. You don't fire a guy who is making you money with your CORE audience of families and kids.