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Pretty awesome upload today with Magnum TA & Mr. Wrestling II vs. Midnight Express from 2/24/84 Getting ready to watch the previously uploaded match from 1/27 and then the new one right behind it.

As far as I know this is accurate as of the end of the Georgia/WWF draft. I'll be updating this again once all the ICW moves are made.

I'm shipping Igor Volkoff off to Memphis. I picked him up to complete a deal with kevin if he acquired the ICW roster but then he didn't but I still don't need Igor Volkoff so I'm gonna send him where he's wanted.

I'm not saying it has to be before you debut a guy, I've held off announcing trades for the same reason but I looked in your thread last night and saw Youngblood had been used the whole month already so then I gotta send a PM to ask the Florida writer what he got in return so I can update the rosters.

I'm not talking about some dates here and there or temporary deals. I'm talking about not announcing when you do a full time trade. Like trading Sweet Daddy Siki from Mid-South to Florida for Mark Youngblood.

That wasn't directed at you, but I didn't want to call anyone out by name and start another round of complaining.

As an aside, it's really hard for me to keep the roster page up to date when people don't ever announce their trades in here. I'm seeing guys pop up in places I have no idea how they got to because nothing was ever announced so I don't know how accurate that page is now.

The Flame was quite good at throwing those fireballs. Probably the best I've seen at that particular wrestling skill set

Pretty cool clip show here. I could imagine this being a fun watch for someone who hadn't been able to see all of this stuff of their local TV. I like seeing my top feud get some national TV time along with the Dutch/Bullet feud and the AWA World Champ also getting some shine.

I will admit there is a lot of scrubbish on my roster but Apollo actually doesn't fit the category despite probably only Boricua and I being aware of his existence before this project. He was brought along slowly in Florida for pretty much all of 1981 having fairly competitive matches with guys above him on the pecking order. Then he had a short TV Title run and feuded with Don Muraco that I think led to a hair match or at least Don Muraco cutting some of Apollo's hair. Then before leaving he got up to semi-main or 3rd from the top in his biggest feud in Florida with Cyclon Negro where the established star Negro turned on him in a tag match on TV (which I've posted at least twice somewhere around the board, I really dug that angle) Then he went back to Puerto Rico and seemingly was a pretty big deal there as Boricua just recently posted these in the Puerto Rico mega thread that show him working semi-main under Carlos Colon and seems like he also worked some main events on non-Carlos shows. Then he just kind of quit wrestling and disappeared for reasons no one seems to really know. This end's today's pointless El Gran Apollo history lesson This is not a denial of the fact there are many scrubs on my roster, Bruiser Costa, Terry Adonis, Tiny Anderson, Tony Torres, and a few others probably fit that bill nicely and are being used above the level of total jobber here. But that was fairly true to life for how the lower tier promotions like Southwest, Portland and Vancouver had to operate and I've been trying to emulate real life Southwest in operation if not so much in style of booking. *This is not an angry response to the word scrubs, more of a chance to lay out the reasons why El Gran Apollo has been getting a big push and to explain more of the philosophy behind why guys who would most likely be jobbers on any other roster get pushed above that level here.

I nominate jdw because listening to you argue with each other would be an immediate download for me.

I love Wrestling II so I enjoyed this. I wouldn't say the crowd was dead, they reacted pretty well to II's act and his goofy mannerisms. Wasn't all that engaging of a match but any chance I get to see Wrestling II in a match I haven't seen, I'm gonna take it.

Well I'm just one dude but they won't be getting this one dude's money until they start putting up some of their territory footage. What is the point of spending the money to buy the libraries just to sit on them?

You'll probably get more eyes on that if you post it here: http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/31215-trade-deals/

I'm not sure if we ever decided how retirements were going to be handled. I know there were some guys on the WWF roster who were pretty much already retired (Johnny Powers) or very close to it (Dean Ho's last matches were 12/83, Scicluna's last match outside of a Legend's Battle Royal was on 2/84)

Watching that interview I felt like Muraco & Kal were about two seconds away from this:

Well Mid-South never dropped out so I expect he'll probably just scoop them all up.

From what I can tell that leaves these guys still undrafted: Steve King Jack Carson Chief Thundercloud Fred Curry

Running in a baseball/football stadium always leaves the impression that the crowd is smaller than it really is. Even on the big WCCW cards at the Cotton Bowl you would see a ton of empty seats which would make the crowd look smaller than the 12,000 it was in 84 and the 26,000 they had in 1985.

With The Grapper #1/Tiger Conway, Grapper #2 vs. Wrestling II and the Bobby Jaggers/Chavo matches all coming from 11/19/82 it looks like we could have some big matches on the way if the whole card gets uploaded. Boesch @ Houston, TX - Sam Houston Coliseum - November 19, 1982 Mr. Wrestling II vs Grappler #2 Tiger Conway Jr. vs The Grappler Ernie Ladd vs Mike Bowyer Chavo Guerrero vs Bobby Jaggers Mil Mascaras vs Tully Blanchard Ted DiBiase vs Dick Slater Chavo Guerrero vs Gino Hernandez AWA World Heavyweight Title: Tony Atlas vsNick Bockwinkel © Chavo vs. Gino especially sounds like it would be really good.

I don't find that idea out of the realm of possibility. I've seen a few pretty bad ballots including a professional writer voting for a team that isn't even eligible.

There is no one else who wanted to start writing ICW, kevin was talking about merging his promotion with ICW because we didn't think there were going to be any new writers. So yes it looks like you're officially taking over ICW then.

For the sake of clarity, Super Stan this is the part where you say Yes I want to take over ICW or No I don't want to take over ICW

Southwest Championship Wrestling @ San Antonio, TX - The HemisFair Arena 10/9/83 Ali Bey vs. Larry Hamilton - Larry Hamilton used his amateur wrestling skills to ground The Turk and keep him on the mat. After a few minutes of wearing down Ali Bey, Hamilton got him into the Oklahoma Roll and pinned him for the count of 3. Winner: Larry Hamilton in 4:22 after an Oklahoma Roll Bruiser Costa & Terry Adonis vs. Art Crews & Timothy Flowers - The clean cut team of Art Crews and Timothy Flowers were making their Southwest debut in this match and were taken advantage of by the cheating tactics of Costa & Adonis. Flowers started the match for his team and held the advantage over Terry Adonis until Adonis tagged out and Bruiser Costa came in. Costa used some misdirection on the referee to get some cheap shots to the throat of Timothy Flowers but missed on the Running Senton when Flowers was down on the mat and Flowers made it to his corner to tag. Crews came in fired up and took the fight to Bruiser Costa for a short while until Terry Adonis ran in and hit him with a cheap shot from behind and then Costa & Adonis did some double teaming on Crews when the referee was distracted keeping Timothy Flowers out of the ring as he tried to retaliate against the cheap shot of Terry Adonis. Crews was isolated in the corner of Costa and Adonis and finished off with a senton off the second rope from Bruiser Costa. Winners: Bruiser Costa & Terry Adonis in 8:07 when Bruiser Costa pinned Art Crews after a senton off the 2nd rope The Canadian vs. Mike Jackson - Mike Jackson used his quickness to play cat and mouse with The Canadian at the start of the match, frustrating the larger man and causing him to rush into some armdrags and dropkicks. Eventually Jackson missed on a dropkick attempt and things went down hill for him from there as The Canadian just started to unload on Jackson with some vicious punches and kicks. The Canadian finished off Jackson when Jackson was down on one knee and The Canadian came charging in and blasted him in the face with a running boot. Winner: The Canadian in 5:49 after a Running Boot to the face of Mike Jackson Steve Pardee vs. Bulldog Brower - This match barely even got started as Bulldog Brower attacked Steve Pardee while he was being patted down by the referee and started beating on him. Referee Jack Howe called for the bell and almost immediately afterwards, Brower threw Steve Pardee over the top rope and got himself disqualified. Winner: Steve Pardee in 0:13 by DQ after Bulldog Brower threw him over the top rope Bulldog Brower grabbed the wooden ring steps and tried to slam them down on Pardee but Pardee roll out of the way and the steps went crashing down onto the arena floor, breaking off a big piece of them. Pardee grabbed that piece of the broken steps and slammed it into the head of Bulldog Brower which sent sprawling on the floor! Lord Alfred Hayes tried to sneak up behind Pardee and attack him but the crowd alerted Pardee to the trouble and he turned around just in time to stop Lord Alfred in his tracks. Pardee stalked Lord Alfred with the piece of broken steps and Lord Alfred begged Pardee not to hit him. Bulldog Brower got up and came charging at Pardee's back but the crowd again alerted Pardee in time and he was able to sidestep the Bulldog which sent Brower crashing forward into Lord Alfred Hayes! Pardee threatened them both with the broken piece of wood which caused Lord Alfred to grab Bulldog Brower and the two of them rushed back to the locker room together as the crowd cheered for Steve Pardee holding his own. Tiny Anderson & Mike Masters vs. Yin & Yang - Mike Masters started the match for his team and used his strength to over power the wrestling ability of Yang. Masters kept powering out of Yang's attempts to put him in a hold and then strutting around and posing while Yang stood in the middle of the ring with his head cocked sideways just staring at him. Masters wanted a test of strength and Yang was quickly over powered and forced down to his knees. Masters then pulled Yang into a bearhug and started squeezing the life out of him when suddenly Yin came running into the match and dropkicked Masters in the back of the knee to cause him to break the hold by dropping Yang and falling to the mat clutching his leg. Yang looked annoyed at his partner's interference but then cut off Masters who tried to crawl to the corner and make a tag and quickly took advantage of the situation by putting Masters into a half boston crab. Tiny Anderson ran in and attacked Yang to break that up and when Yang retreated to his corner, Yin tagged himself in. Yin and Yang had a break staredown in their corner which gave Masters the time to crawl to his and make the tag to Tiny Anderson. Anderson came charging in only to eat a big leg lariat from Yin. Yin started lighting up Anderson with kicks to the leg when he got back to his feet and then floored him with a big dropkick that caught Anderson right under the chin. Yin then climbed up to the top rope and hit his Flying Headbutt on Anderson and pinned him as Mike Masters didn't even bother to try and come in to make the save. Winners: Yin & Yang in 8:33 after Yin hit a Flying Headbutt on Tiny Anderson Roy Lee Welch vs. Bill Ash - This match started like the previous week's with both men immediately charging at each other and engaging in a brawl. Their brawl spilled out between the ropes and they almost got counted out but Bill Ash poked Welch in the eye and then rolled him back in the to break the count at 9. Ash stepped up on the apron but Welch charged into him and buried his shoulder in Ash's midsection and then suplexed him over the top rope back into the ring. Welch tried to go for the Spinning Toe Hold but Ash wasn't worn down enough yet and kicked him off which sent Welch flying backwards and over the top rope. Juan Reynosa signaled that it was not an intentional throw over the top rope and thus he would not disqualify Bill Ash. Welch struggled back up to his feet and tried to come back in the ring at the count of 8 but Ash rushed at him and booted him in the head which sent Welch sprawling backwards into the steel barricade. Juan Reynosa broke the count to admonish Bill Ash for not letting Roy Lee Welch get back in the ring but once Welch got back to his feet and tried to get back in, Ash cut him off for a second time with another kick to the head through the ropes. Referee Juan Reynosa got very heated and threatened to disqualify Bill Ash while Ash strutted around the ring and agitated the fans. Ash tried i once again to cut Welch off from returning to the ring but this time Welch grabbed Ash's leg as he went for a kick and pulled him out of the ring with Ash hard on the arena floor, with the back of his head smashing on the concrete! Roy Lee Welch picked Ash up off of the arena floor and rammed his head into the steel ring post and Bill Ash fell to the arena floor. Roy Lee Welch got back in the ring and told the referee to start his count but in a testament to Bill Ash's toughness he managed roll back into the ring right before the count of 10. Welch grabbed him and pulled him into the center of the ring to try once more to put on the Spinning Toe Hold but Ash used his other foot to kick Welch HARD right between the legs! Juan Reynosa saw it and immediately called for the DQ! Winner: Roy Lee Welch in 7:56 by DQ after a low blow from Bill Ash Welch doubled over in pain and Bill Ash started to set him up for the Fuller Leglock when suddenly Tony Torres rushed out to the ring and dropped a huge knee across the chest of Bill Ash just as he was locking in the Fuller Leglock! Torres fought off Bill Ash and sent him running for the locker room and then helped Roy Lee Welch out of the ring and back to the locker room while he limped in pain from the shot to his groin. Mil Mascaras handcuffed to Mr. Mexico at ringside: El Gran Apollo vs. Jose Lothario - Jose started in a boxing stance, challenging El Gran Apollo to square up and box with him. Referee Jack Howe tried to get both men to open up the fists but they ignored him and continued circling each other. Jack Howe got in between them and demanded they open up their fists, telling them it was a wrestling match, not a boxing match. El Gran Apollo turned Jack Howe around and put him in the corner and then got blasted by a haymaker from Jose Lothario as he turned around! Apollo stumbled into the ropes and Jose stayed on him peppering him with jabs to the face and the body and then taking him off his feet with a big uppercut. The referee tried to regain control but Jose mounted Apollo on the mat and started pounding on him with punches until Howe threatened to disqualify him which caused Jose to back off. But as soon as Apollo was back to his feet Jose again dropped him with an uppercut. Jose told Howe to count him down like in a boxing match and then Jose started to trash talk the crowd and Mil Mascaras at ringside. Jose stood in the middle of the ring shadowboxing while Apollo struggled to get back to his feet and then once he was back up, Jose charged again but this time Apollo ducked a jab and came back with a big uppercut of his own! Jose went rubber legged and Apollo followed up with another big right hand that put Jose down to one knee and then Apollo dropkicked him and made a cover but Jose was able to kick out before the count of 3. Apollo went for another dropkick on Jose as he got back up but Jose dodged out of the way just in time and Apollo crashed to the mat. Jose followed up on the advantage by pulling Apollo into an abdominal stretch as Apollo was getting back to his feet. Mr. Mexico tried to reach his hand in and give Jose extra leverage but Mil Mascaras yanked him backwards and the two of them almost came to blows at ringside. Jose got distracted shouting at Mil Mascaras and Apollo was able to hiptoss his way out of the abdominal stretch. Jose got back up only to be met with a series of jabs from Apollo but as Apollo went for a wild swinging uppercut, Jose dodged out of the way and Apollo ended up catching the referee Jack Howe right under the chin with his uppercut! Jack Howe's lights went out and he dropped to the mat and Apollo was momentarily stunned by what happened which allowed Jose to blast him with a big uppercut of his own and put Apollo down on the mat. Jose went into his tights to pull out brass knuckles and Mil Mascaras tried to get in the ring to stop him but Mr. Mexico pulled him back and the two of them started to fight at ringside. Jose swung at Apollo with his brass knuckles only for Apollo to duck and come back with a big looping punch of his own that dropped Jose and caused the brass knucks to fall off his hand. The crowd started to cheer as Apollo picked the brass knuckles up off the mat when suddenly Alberto Madril came running out of the crowd and attacked Apollo from behind! Mascaras tried to rush in and stop him but Mr. Mexico cut him off again and brought the handcuff around his wrist down on the back of Mascaras' neck and started choking him with the short chain of the cuffs! Al Madril pulled the knucks off of Apollo's hand and hit him with a big punch with them that knocked Apollo out. Madril then helped Jose to cover Apollo for the pinfall and then rushed out of the ring and back out through the crowd just as the referee Jack Howe started to come to. Howe saw the cover being made and made a groggy 3 count to give Jose Lothario the tainted victory! Winner: Jose Lothario in 9:47 after interference from Al Madril while the referee was knocked out After the match Jose pulled the handcuff key out of Jack Howe's pocket and used them to unlock Mr. Mexico's handcuff. Then Jose and Mr. Mexico handcuffed Mil Mascaras with his arms around the ring post on the outside of the ring with his back exposed to them. They pulled off the referee's belt and started to whip Mascaras' back with it! They continued to whip Mascaras and raised big welts on his back until suddenly Omar Atlas ran out from the locker room with a chair and chased them off! Atlas tried to help Mascaras off the ring post but Jose took the key with him. The ring crew had to come out and the whole ring post had to be taken down before Mascaras could be removed and some of the locker room came out to help Mil Mascaras and the punch drunk El Gran Apollo back to the locker room. 8 Man Tag 'Dream Match': Ken Lucas, Jim Duggan & The Fabs vs. Yoshi Seito, Mr. Saito & The Texas Dynasty - Tully Blanchard and David Von Erich came out without Sunshine, wearing three belts a piece after their shocking debut on WTBS that ended with them winning the National Tag Team Titles. They then motion to the back and Sunshine comes out pushing a wheel barrow and they drop their 6 belts into it while the crowd boos the hell out of them and they walk to the ring with Sunshine pushing the wheel barrow feel of gold behind them. The babyface team can't decide who will start the match for their team and continue to argue about it all through the entrance of their opponents until Seito & The Texas Dynasty grab The Fabulous Ones and pull them out of the ring and start beating on them! Duggan rushes out of the ring to help them and Ken Lucas tries to follow but he gets attacked from behind by Saito! Referee Juan Reynosa rings the bell with Saito and Ken Lucas in the ring and the rest of the teams fighting outside of it. Saito pounds on Ken Lucas for a bit until slamming him down and putting him in a nerve hold. Finally the fight outside the ring disperses as The Dynasty and Seito retreat to their corner once Duggan & The Fabs start to get the better of the fight. Everyone gets into their corners and The Fabs & Duggan get the HemisFair crowd cheering loudly for Ken Lucas. Lucas is about to break out of the nerve hold when Saito pulls him back down to the mat by the hair. The referee saw it and demands he break the hold so Saito chops Lucas in the throat and makes a quick tag out to Tully Blanchard who comes in and takes over control on Lucas with an arm bar. Tully has control for a few minutes and once Lucas rallies again, Tully makes the tag out and David comes in and nails Lucas from behind and re-establishes control of his arm. Lucas starts to fight out again and David whips him into the ropes and tries to catch him with the high knee but Ken Lucas rolls under it and makes a leaping tag into the corner to 'Hacksaw' Jim Duggan! Duggan comes in and nails David Von Erich with a big right hand that puts him down and then tees off on Seito, Tully and Mr. Saito in succession as they all come in and try and attack him. Duggan sends the 3 of them scrambling out of the ring but gets caught from behind by a chop block from David. David pulls Duggan close to the corner and then tags out to Yoshi Seito who comes in and drops an elbow on Duggan's leg as David has it stretched out. Yoshi Seito puts Duggan in a figure four but Steve Keirn quickly runs in and stomps on his head to break the hold! While the referee gets Keirn back into his corner, Yoshi Seito makes an illegal switch with Mr. Saito who comes in and starts stomping on Duggan's knee and then puts the 'Hacksaw' in his modified kneeling figure four hold. Keirn tries to rush in again but this time the referee cuts him off by jumping in front of him which lets the other 3 members of Saito's team come in behind the referee's back and start stomping away on Duggan. They quickly hop back out onto the apron as the referee is turning around and Duggan starts to pull himself and Saito not towards the ropes, but all the way across the ring to his corner. Duggan makes a slow, torturous advance to his own corner but just as he's about to be able to reach out for a tag, Tully runs in the ring and slaps Steve Keirn across the face! Keirn comes charging into the ring and the referee gets distracted trying to get him out and misses the tag to Stan Lane! Stan Lane comes in and starts pounding on Saito to get him to break the hold on Duggan but the referee pulls him off and threatens to disqualify him! Stan argues with the referee about having made the tag but the referee didn't see it, and while they are arguing, Tully & David run in the ring and drag Duggan all the way back to their corner. The referee turns back around to see Mr. Saito tag out to Tully Blanchard who comes in and starts stomping on Duggan's leg and running his mouth about him. Tully starts trash talking Duggan about how next week it's going to be Duggan against all 4 of them and then Tully goes for an elbow drop on Duggan's injured leg but Duggan rolls out of the way! Tully gets back up and tries again but Duggan rolls out of the way again and hobbles back up to his feet! Tully comes charging into him but Duggan hits a weak Spear on him and takes him down as the crowd goes wild! Duggan and Tully both start to crawl towards their corner and make a tag at almost the same time as Duggan tags in Steve Keirn and Tully tags in David Von Erich! Steve Keirn and David Von Erich come into the ring and start beating the hell out of each other! They just tee of on one another Keirn starts getting the better of the fight and David pokes him in the eyes and whips him into the ropes. David comes off the other side and goes for a high knee at the same time as Keirn goes for a Flying Forearm and they crash into each other awkwardly in mid-air. Both men are down on the mat with their teams cheering them on as they start to crawl for a tag. Keirn makes it to the corner and tags Stan Lane first and Lane tries to rush in and cut off David from making the tag but he's too late as David tags in Yoshi Seito and Lane gets caught in the wrong corner. Lane gets beat on by all four men and then Yoshi Seito puts him up in the corner and hits a superplex on him and goes for the cover but Stan Lane kicks out at the count of 2. Seito picks him up and goes around behind him for the German Suplex but Stan Lane blocks it and counters into the Russian Legsweep with a floatover and gets the 3 count before anyone can make the save! Winners: The Fabulous Ones, Jim Duggan & Ken Lucas in 19:38 when Stan Lane reversed a German Suplex into a Russian Legsweep on Yoshi Seito The Texas Dynasty and Saito rush into the ring and start pounding on Stan Lane and Steve Keirn, Jim Duggan and Ken Lucas rush in to help him and it turns into a wild brawl in the middle of the ring. Duggan, The Fabs and Ken Lucas get the better of the fight and end up clearing the ring! Duggan stares at The Fabulous Ones and there is a moment of tension between them as Ken Lucas looks on but eventually Duggan reaches out his hand and Stan Lane shakes it and all four men celebrate in the ring together, raising each other's arms as The HemisFair Arena goes wild cheering their victory.