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I understand the point, to a degree. Wrestling that looks a little sloppy doesn't take me out of the moment, as much as wrestling that looks too soft does, which is oddly enough one of my issues with Shawn. (I say that really hoping I didn't just accidentally turn this into another Shawn Michaels thread.) So I'll clarify my point: How moves look is indeed important. But it's much easier for me to buy the idea of a move barely connecting or looking sloppy still doing some damage than it is that a move that looks really light did any damage.

Also, does looking good mean looking like it hurts or does it mean being executed gracefully? Because a guy with arms the size of Cena using all of his strength to push his fists into my nose doesn't sound that pleasant. Is Masa Chono's version of the hold really that much better?

Just about any move, no matter how ineffective or dumb it may look, can get over in wrestling if sold properly and treated as important. I don't see the significance of all moves having to "look" good.

Hmmm, so will Scott D'Amore market it?

I'm using this thread to list everything that I either want to rewatch or seek out and watch for the first time when going back through the yearbooks when they're done. I'll keep editing this as I discover more things. Matches that I have pegged for rewatch are things that I either really enjoyed the first time around, matches I may have underrated or the things that have stayed in my memory bank the longest. New matches are in blue. January: Mitsuharu Misawa & Kenta Kobashi vs Jumbo Tsuruta & Masa Fuchi (AJPW 01/02/92) Manami Toyota vs Toshiyo Yamada (AJW 01/04/92) Akira Hokuto vs Kyoko Inoue (AJW 01/04/92) Arn Anderson vs Dustin Rhodes (WCW Saturday Night 01/04/92) Takako Inoue & Mariko Yoshida vs Debbie Malenko & Sakie Hasegawa (AJW 01/05/92) El Hijo del Santo vs Negro Casas (UWA 01/05/92) Arn Anderson, Steve Austin & Bobby Eaton vs Ricky Steamboat, Dustin Rhodes & Ron Simmons (WCW Worldwide 01/11/92) Naoki Sano vs Jerry Flynn (PWFG 01/15/92) Jeff Jarrett & Jerry Lawler vs The Moondogs (USWA Kennett, Missouri 01/17/92) Lightning Kid, Jerry Lynn & Dr Wagner Jr vs Dos Caras, Silver King & El Texano (Hamada's UWF 01/19/92) Jeff Jarrett & Jerry Lawler vs The Moondogs (USWA Mid South Coliseum 01/20/92) Mitsuharu Misawa vs Masa Fuchi (AJPW 01/21/92) Jumbo Tsuruta vs Toshiaki Kawada (AJPW 01/21/92) Tracy Smothers & Terry Taylor vs Brian Pillman & Marcus Bagwell (WCW Clash of the Champions XVIII 01/21/92) Mitsuharu Misawa, Kenta Kobashi & Toshiaki Kawada vs Jumbo Tsuruta, Masa Fuchi & Akira Taue (AJPW 01/24/92) Jumbo Tsuruta & Akira Taue vs Kenta Kobashi & Tsuyoshi Kikuchi (AJPW 01/26/92) Toshiaki Kawada & Tsuyoshi Kikuchi vs Akira Taue & Yoshinari Ogawa (AJPW 01/28/92) Shawn Michaels vs Jimmy Snuka (WWF MSG 01/31/92) Blue Panther vs Ultimo Dragon (CMLL 01/31/92) February: El Hijo del Santo, Dos Caras & Gran Hamada vs El Canek, Negro Casas & Fishman (UWA 02/01/92) Bobby Eaton vs Dustin Rhodes (WCW Pro 02/01/92) El Canek vs Dos Caras (UWA 02/02/92) Jushin Liger vs Norio Honaga (NJPW 02/08/92) Jushin Liger vs Pegasus Kid (NJPW 02/10/92) Keiji Muto & Hiroshi Hase vs Scott Norton & Brad Armstrong (NJPW 02/10/92) Rick Rude vs Brian Pillman (WCW Pro 02/15/92) Silver King, El Texano & Gran Hamada vs Negro Casas, Dr Wagner Jr & Mike Lozansky (UWA 02/16/92) Sting, Ricky Steamboat & Marcus Bagwell vs Rick Rude, Steve Austin & Bobby Eaton (WCW Main Event 02/16/92) Dustin Rhodes vs Bobby Eaton (WCW Power Hour 02/21/92) MS-1, Pirata Morgan & El Satanico vs Jacque Mata, Masakre & Pierroth Jr (CMLL 02/21/92) Mitsuharu Misawa & Kenta Kobashi vs Stan Hansen & Johnny Ace (AJPW 02/22/92) Doug Furnas & Dan Kroffat vs Toshiaki Kawada & Tsuyoshi Kikuchi (AJPW 02/22/92) Ricky Steamboat vs Ricky Morton (WCW Pro 02/22/92) Sting, Dustin Rhodes, Barry Windham & Ricky Steamboat vs Rick Rude, Arn Anderson, Larry Zbyszko & Bobby Eaton (WCW Saturday Night 02/22/92) Yoshiaki Fujiwara vs Yusuke Fuke (PWFG 02/24/92) Jumbo Tsuruta vs Kenta Kobashi (AJPW 02/27/92) Hiromitsu Kanehara vs Masakazu Maeda (UWFI 02/29/92) Jushin Liger vs Brian Pillman (WCW SuperBrawl II 02/29/92) Barry Windham & Dustin Rhodes vs Steve Austin & Larry Zbyszko (WCW SuperBrawl II 02/29/92) Rick Rude vs Ricky Steamboat (WCW SuperBrawl II 02/29/92) Silver King, El Texano & Gran Hamada vs Negro Casas, Dr Wagner Jr & Rambo (UWA 02/29/92) March: Cien Caras, Mascara Ano 2000 & Sangre Chicana vs Konnan, Perro Aguayo & Rayo de Jalisco Jr. (CMLL 03/01/92) Toshiyo Yamada & Manami Toyota -vs- Suzuka Minami & Yumiko Hotta (AJW 03/15/92) Mitsuharu Misawa & Tsuyoshi Kikuchi vs Jumbo Tsuruta & Yoshinari Ogawa (AJPW 03/20/92) Bull Nakano vs Kyoko Inoue (AJW 03/20/92) Manami Toyota & Toshiyo Yamada vs Aja Kong & Bison Kimura (AJW 03/20/92) Stan Hansen vs Kenta Kobashi (AJPW 03/27/92) Arn Anderson vs Ricky Steamboat (WCW Pro 03/28/92) April: Akira Maeda vs Volk Han (RINGS 04/03/92) Blue Panther vs Love Machine (CMLL 04/03/92) Atlantis vs La Fiera (CMLL 04/03/92) Bret Hart vs Roddy Piper (WWF Wrestlemania VIII 04/05/92) Ric Flair vs Randy Savage (WWF Wrestlemania VIII 04/05/92) Mano Negra, Mascara Sagrada & Atlantis vs Fuerza Guerrera, Emilio Charles Jr & Jerry Estrada (CMLL 04/10/92) Jushin Liger vs El Samurai (NJPW 04/16/92) Octagoncito, Misteriocito & Mascarita Sagrada vs Espectrito, Piratita Morgan & Pequene Pierroth (CMLL 04/17/92) Ric Flair vs Genichiro Tenryu (SWS 04/18/92) Stan Hansen vs Toshiaki Kawada (AJPW 04/19/92) Oro, Brazo de Plata & Bronce vs Marabunta, Enjambre & Ponzona (CMLL 04/24/92) Debbie Malenko & Sakie Hasegawa vs Mariko Yoshida & Takako Inoue (AJW 04/25/92) Manami Toyota vs Kyoko Inoue (AJW 04/25/92) Manami Toyota vs Kyoko Inoue (AJW 04/25/92, TV Version) Aja Kong vs Bull Nakano (AJW 04/25/92) Mariko Yoshida vs Takako Inoue (AJW 04/29/92) Aja Kong & Bison Kimura -vs- Debbie Malenko & Sakie Hasegawa (AJW 04/29/92) Manami Toyota & Toshiyo Yamada -vs- Yumiko Hotta & Kyoko Inoue (AJW 04/29/92) Bret Hart vs Shawn Michaels (WWF Syracuse, NY 04/29/92) Jushin Liger vs El Samurai (NJPW Best of the Super Juniors Final 04/30/92) May: Vader & Bam Bam Bigelow vs Keiji Muto & Hiroshi Hase (NJPW 05/01/92) Bobby Eaton vs Dustin Rhodes (WCW Power Hour 05/08/92) Silver King & El Texano vs Headhunters (UWA 05/09/92) El Hijo del Santo vs Espanto Jr (UWA 05/14/92) Barry Windham & Dustin Rhodes vs Steve Austin & Bobby Eaton (WCW Power Hour 05/15/92) Bobby Eaton vs Dustin Rhodes (WCW Worldwide 05/16/92) El Hijo del Santo, Atsushi Onita & Tarzan Goto vs Negro Casas, Horace Boulder & Tim Patterson (WWA 05/16/92) Rick & Scott Steiner vs Tatsumi Fujinami & Tayayuki Iizuka (WCW Wrestle War 05/17/92) Sting, Ricky Steamboat, Barry Windham, Dustin Rhodes & Nikita Koloff vs Rick Rude, Steve Austin, Arn Anderson, Bobby Eaton & Larry Zbyszko (WCW Wrestle War 05/17/92) Mitsuharu Misawa, Toshiaki Kawada & Kenta Kobashi vs Jumbo Tsuruta, Akira Taue & Masa Fuchi (AJPW 05/22/92) Kyoko Inoue & Mariko Yoshida -vs Manami Toyota & Sakie Hasegawa (AJW 05/24/92) Bull Nakano -vs- Toshiyo Yamada (AJW 05/24/92) Aja Kong & Bison Kimura vs Akira Hokuto & Etsuko Mita (AJW 05/24/92) Kenta Kobashi & Tsuyoshi Kikuchi vs Doug Furnas & Dan Kroffat (AJPW 05/25/92) Bestia Salvaje, Satanico & Pirata Morgan vs Atlantis, El Dandy & Pirata Morgan (CMLL 05/29/92) Masa Fuchi vs Tommy Rogers (AJPW 05/30/92) Mitsuharu Misawa & Tsuyoshi Kikuchi vs Jumbo Tsuruta & Akira Taue (AJPW 05/30/92) June: Akira Hokuto & Etsuko Mita -vs- Manami Toyota & Mima Shimoda (AJW 06/05/92) Mitsuharu Misawa & Kenta Kobashi vs Jumbo Tsuruta & Akira Taue (AJPW 06/05/92) Stan Hansen vs Toshiaki Kawada (AJPW 06/05/92) Fabulous Freebirds vs Silver King & El Texano (WCW Clash of the Champions XIX 06/16/92) Rick & Scott Steiner vs Steve Williams & Terry Gordy (WCW Clash of the Champions XIX 06/16/92) Rick Rude vs Ricky Steamboat (WCW Beach Blast 06/20/92) Mariko Yoshida vs Sakie Hasegawa (AJW 06/21/92) Yoshiaki Fujiwara vs Bart Vale (PWFG 06/25/92) Hiroshi Hase vs Kensuke Sasaki (NJPW 06/26/92) Mariko Yoshida vs Etsuko Mita (AJW 06/27/92) Etsuko Mita vs Mariko Yoshida (AJW 06/27/92) Manami Toyota & Toshiyo Yamada vs Akira Hokuto & Kyoko Inoue (AJW 06/27/92) July: El Dandy vs Negro Casas (CMLL 07/03/92) Kyoko Inoue -vs- Mariko Yoshida (AJW 07/05/92) Toshiyo Yamada & Takako Inoue & Sakie Hasegawa -vs- Bull Nakano & Etsuko Mita (AJW 07/05/92) Manami Toyota -vs- Aja Kong (AJW 07/15/92) Kenta Kobashi & Tsuyoshi Kikuchi vs Masa Fuchi & Yoshinari Ogawa (AJPW 07/05/92) Rey Misterio Jr, Winners & Super Calo vs. Psicosis, El Magnate & Marabunta (AAA 7/10/92) Negro Casas, La Fiera & Bestia Salvaje vs. El Dandy, Ultimo Dragon & Ringo Mendoza (CMLL 7/10/92) Barry Windham & Dustin Rhodes vs Rick Rude & Steve Austin (WCW Great American Bash 07/12/92) Vader vs Sting (WCW Great American Bash 07/12/92) Mariko Yoshida vs Sakie Hasegawa (AJW 07/15/92) Manami Toyota & Toshiyo Yamada vs Aja Kong & Kyoko Inoue (AJW 07/15/92) Volk Han vs Andrei Kopylov (RINGS 07/16/92) Misterioso, Volador & Angel Azteca vs La Parka, Herodes & Rambo (AAA 7/18/92) Stan Hansen vs Kenta Kobashi (AJPW 07/19/92) Mitsuharu Misawa, Kenta Kobashi & Tsuyoshi Kikuchi vs Akira Taue, Masa Fuchi & Yoshinari Ogawa (AJPW 07/21/92) Yuki Ishikawa vs Kazuo Takahashi (PWFG 07/27/92) Akira Hokuto vs Bull Nakano (AJW 07/30/92, Cage match) August: Akira Hokuto & Etsuko Mita vs Kyoko Inoue & Sakie Hasegawa (AJW 08/02/92) Mariko Yoshida & Sakie Hasegawa -vs- Manami Toyota & Mima Shimoda (AJW 08/09/92) Aja Kong -vs- Takako Inoue (AJW 08/09/92) Akira Hokuto & Toshiyo Yamada -vs- Kyoko Inoue & Terri Power (AJW 08/09/92) Rick & Scott Steiner vs Tatsumi Fujinami & Tayayuki Iizuka (NJPW 8/11/92) Atlantis vs Emilio Charles Jr. (CMLL 08/11/92) Jushin Liger vs Wild Pegasus (NJPW 08/12/92) Rick Rude vs Masa Chono (NJPW 08/12/92) Nobuhiko Takada & Mark Fleming vs. Kazuo Yamazaki & Mark Silver (UWFI 8/14/92) Kyoko Inoue & Takako Inoue & Marika Yoshida -vs- Cynthia Moreno & Etsuko Mita & Mima Shimoda (AJW 08/15/92) Bull Nakano & Aja Kong -vs- Toshiyo Yamada & Akira Hokuto (AJW 08/15/92) Manami Toyota vs Toshiyo Yamada (AJW 08/15/92) Yoshiaki Fujiwara vs Mark Rush (PWFG 08/15/92) Cactus Jack vs Ricky Steamboat (WCW Worldwide 08/15/92) Mitsuharu Misawa, Toshiaki Kawada & Tsuyoshi Kikuchi vs Jumbo Tsuruta, Akira Taue & Yoshinari Ogawa (AJPW 08/20/92) Volk Han vs Dick Vrij (RINGS 08/21/92) Angel Azteca, Solar I & Super Astro vs Blue Panther, La Parka & Rambo (AAA 08/21/92) Kenta Kobashi & Tsuyoshi Kikuchi vs The Fantastics (AJPW 08/22/92) Toshiaki Kawada vs Dan Spivey (AJPW 08/22/92) Natural Disasters vs Beverly Brothers (WWF Summerslam 08/29/92) Bret Hart vs Davey Boy Smith (WWF Summerslam 08/29/92) Bull Nakano, Yumiko Hotta & Suzuka Minami vs Akira Hokuto, Etsuko Mita & Mima Shimoda (AJW 08/30/92) Aja Kong vs Toshiyo Yamada (AJW 08/30/92) Manami Toyota vs Aja Kong (AJW 08/30/92) September: Megumi Kudo vs Combat Toyota (FMW 09/01/92) Aja Kong & Sakie Hasegawa -vs- Manami Toyota & Toshiyo Yamada (AJW 09/11/92) Bull Nakano, Aja Kong & Kyoko Inoue vs Toshiyo Yamada, Yumiko Hotta & Mariko Yoshida (AJW 09/15/92) Akira Hokuto vs Suzuka Minami (AJW 09/15/92) Ric Flair vs Genichiro Tenryu (SWS 09/15/92) Megumi Kudo & Combat Toyota vs Akira Hokuto & Bull Nakano (FMW 09/19/92) Ric Flair vs. Ultimate Warrior (WWF Indianapolis 9/19/92 HH) October: Barry Windham & Dustin Rhodes vs Steve Williams & Terry Gordy (WCW Saturday Night 10/03/92) Doug Furnas & Dan Kroffat vs Kenta Kobashi & Tsuyoshi Kikuchi (AJPW 10/07/92) Jumbo Tsuruta & Akira Taue vs Steve Williams & Terry Gordy (AJPW 10/07/92) Cuty Suzuki & Mayumi Ozaki vs Dynamite Kansai & Hikari Fukuoka (JWP 10/07/92) Mayumi Ozaki & Cutie Suzuki vs Dynamite Kansai & Hikari Fukuoka (JWP 10/07/92) Keiji Muto vs Steve Austin (NJPW 10/08/92) Blue Panther vs Super Astro (AAA 10/09/92) Mitsuharu Misawa vs Akira Taue (AJPW 10/11/92) Eriko Tsuchiya & Yoshika Maedomari vs Bat Yoshinaga & Tomoko Watanabe (AJW 10/17/92) Yumiko Hotta & Suzuka Minami vs Manami Toyota & Toshiyo Yamada (AJW 10/17/92) Mitsuharu Misawa vs Toshiaki Kawada (AJPW 10/21/92) Kiyoshi Tamura vs Kazuo Yamazaki (UWFI 10/23/92) Masao Orihara vs Masa Saito (NJPW 10/23/92) Genichiro Tenryu & Koki Kitahara vs Shiro Koshinaka & Kengo Kimura (NJPW 10/23/92) November: Manami Toyota & Toshiyo Yamada vs Debbie Malenko & Sakie Hasegawa (AJW 11/02/92) Aja Kong & Kyoko Inoue vs Bull Nakano & Akira Hokuto (AJW 11/02/92) Vader vs Ricky Steamboat (WCW Power Hour 11/20/92) Ric Flair vs Tatanka (WWF Erie, PA 11/23/92) Randy Savage vs. Terry Taylor (WWF Wrestlefest 93 11/23/92) Akira Hokuto vs Kyoko Inoue (AJW Dream Rush 11/26/92) Bull Nakano vs Aja Kong (AJW Dream Rush 11/26/92) Manami Toyota & Toshiyo Yamada vs Mayumi Ozaki & Dynamite Kansai (AJW Dream Rush 11/26/92) Mitsuharu Misawa & Toshiaki Kawada vs Kenta Kobashi & Giant Baba (AJPW 11/27/92) Arn Anderson & Bobby Eaton vs Ricky Steamboat & Shane Douglas (WCW Power Hour 11/27/92) December: Mayumi Ozaki & Hikari Fukuoka vs Yumiko Hotta & Takako Inoue (JWP 12/01/92) Manami Toyota & Toshiyo Yamada vs Aja Kong & Kyoko Inoue (AJW 12/13/92) Akira Hokuto vs Takako Inoue (AJW 12/13/92) Genichiro Tenryu vs Shiro Koshinaka (NJPW 12/14/92) Los Brazos vs Cro-Magnon, Popitekus & Troglodita (CMLL 12/18/92) Vader vs Sting (WCW Starrcade 12/28/92) Jushin Liger & Kensuke Sasaki vs Ricky Steamboat & Shane Douglas (WCW Philadelphia 12/29/92)

John Cena is a guy I really like. I think he's a really good wrestler. But I don't think he'd make my top 100. That is in no way a criticism of him. It's more that there are a lot of wrestlers I'd put above him.

Must log in to read. What is the topic?

Well, yes. They thought Edge was a good actor.

Orton feud.

Punishing people on TV is a concept I just don't get, especially now when wins and losses mean nothing and wrestler motivations seem to be different than they were in the past. I'LL HAVE THIS GUY THAT WANTS BIGGER PAYOFFS DO A JOB TO SOMEONE ON TELEVISION. THAT'LL SHOW HIM.

I'm not putting up some of these names because I think they're better, but rather because they are worth discussing in comparison with Patera: Adrian Adonis Iron Sheik Ivan Koloff Greg Valentine

The only two I can think of are Sting and Lex Luger.

I have a feeling that if she wasn't able to fund her own campaign so much, no way would she have the establishment support she has.

OUTSTANDING.

Vince, Heenan, Flair and Hogan are the big ones that come to mind.

Thought it was a good match when I watched it, but not Top 100 material. I will be rewatching all of this after all the 90s are done to try to take another look at stuff like that and see if I had a brainfart or if I stand by what I thought the first time around.

Yes, but where is the heat going to go? If they were being pushed as a main event group toward matches with Austin, Rock and Undertaker, sure. Go for it. But yeah, the heat for these things tend to go more on the promotion than the heels themselves. WWE actually marketed an Unamericans shirt with the American flag upside down. I'll be surprised if that wasn't a money loser.

I just realized I should use an example from RAW instead of pay-per-view -- the one where Shawn was picking his nose with the Canadian flag.

Yeah, I don't think it could be done safely at this point, and I'm not sure it would get the right kind of heat.

We don't know yet. We'll see where we stand after all the 90s are done.

I was responding to Nintendo Logic pointing out Dave saying that in the past, flag desecration would have resulted in lost TV.

Shawn Michaels humped the Canadian flag in 1997 on a pay-per-view. WWF didn't lose TV. Bill Watts was buried under a Russian flag in the UWF. They didn't lose TV.

It was a timing issue. We didn't have it, and it was the only thing we were waiting on, so we released the yearbook without it. It will go on the Errata.

It's unfortunate when even wrestling can't exploit real emotions anymore.

Wrestling in general is fairly tasteless. Some of the best talkers of all time could not succeed in such a controlled, sanitized environment. Yes, it's a little classless, but he's a heel. Then again, maybe WWE was right to get rid of him because everything everyone says on WWE TV is filtered through the voice of one person, and that's something everyone knows. To the public, "AW" didn't say this, "Vince McMahon" or "WWE" said this.