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Flair and Perfect give a commencement of speech in an empty auditorium. The idea is that these are all the people who believe Liz's innocence in Flair's allegations. Flair produces a scarf Liz is wearing in a picture as proof that he's telling the truth. Flair takes off his coat and goes "whoo" crazy at the end. Flair has his moments, but I don't know ... I think I said earlier that he's still RIC FLAIR, but he really wasn't anymore, although he was still fun at times. -
I LOL'd at the announcement before the match that Shawn Michaels left the building. I forgot they used to do that. Funny stuff! Hogan and Piper do a great coked up promo before the match with Hogan calling Alfred Hays "Awful Alfred" and Piper talking about God knows what with his gum flying out of his mouth. This tag match drew big money on a house show run, so we wanted to include one. Interesting that Flair and Sid get separate entrances, but Hogan and Piper do not. Flair of course does all the work for his team and eats the pin, which shouldn't surprise anyone, but Sid actually works the mat with Piper, which is very strange. Not really a good tag match, but worth watching as one of the last matches of the era when Hogan was still Hogan.
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Jimmy Valiant is positively ancient, but still has great charisma and gets a good response from the studio crowd. Valiant kisses him! Christopher says he must have been hanging around with WWF wrestlers! Valiant suggests going to work out and get a soda pop. He also mentions changing his diaper in the past. I think he's coming on to him. He has also changed the diapers of half of the kids across America. Christopher takes exception, and Valiant warns him if he doesn't learn to calm down, he's going to get ulcers and won't be able to make babies! He suggests they can be friends and still wrestle at Mid South Coliseum, and the best man will win. They end up high-fiving and booty bumping, but this is where Christopher draws the line and slugs him. The booty bumping was just too much! I have no idea what else to say about this, but wow.
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Gene Okerlund interviews Ric Flair on his yacht. FLAIR IS WEARING JEANS, FLAIR IS WEARING JEANS! I genuinely like his sweater, although it's a bit baby shower-ish. I laugh when Flair shows a picture of him and Liz with a horse, saying she's with her two favorite studs. Flair is great here.
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Another case of Gilbert being ahead of his time. He's facing Barry Horowitz with a referee against him, Pritchard at ringside ... ultimate deck stacking that reminds me of a Raw main event from 1998. It's very Austin/McMahon. This is a match built around that -- mostly clowning, but highly entertaining.
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Anyway, wrestling is way more fun in 1992 than it is in 2011, so I'm running back there. I'll be interested again when Punk resurfaces.
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I ignore it because you say it, but everything else you say defends him, and because any point I make that contributes to that point is somehow wrong. So if you think that, what are you willing to criticize him for? WWE has had a profitable decade. WWE is a stable business for the foreseeable future. WWE has done a great job of diversifying revenue streams. WWE gets paid TV rights fees that wrestling companies never did in the past. They have lots of advantages and have wisely milked them for all they are worth. Good for them, because if they were forced to remain profitable based on domestic house show attendance and domestic PPV buys, those years would have looked terrible. WWE has not been exciting to watch in years, and for the most part has lacked the fun and fan excitement of years past. There are reasons for that. One of which is their failure to create stars. Not every attempt will work, but they rarely even try anymore, which is one reason WWE is rarely as exciting as it used to be. Compare that to 2000 when much of time, if someone got a pop on Raw, they were in a TV main event the next week.
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WWE has been a very well run business. WWE even had successful Wrestlemanias during those years. WWE also made a lot of spending cuts, accounting tricks and layoffs to keep profits what they were during that time, which is how businesses work, but it's a point worth adding. I'm glad WWE is run as well as it is, because if it wasn't, there would be no wrestling scene to speak of at all.
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Agreed. There is correlation between how guys are pushed and the walking away. Anyway, back to Punk. I'm going to split my off-topic banter off into another thread so it doesn't derail this one.
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You have an excuse for everyone, so this is a waste of time. That you're able to name three guys who have persevered compared to nearly two dozen who haven't doesn't really prove anything. And speaking of Morrison, there's another victim of start-stop pushes who has been at the exact same upper midcard level for several years now. To be clear, HHH is not the cause of every single problem WWE has. If HHH disappeared tomorrow, many of these problems (maybe most or even all of them) would still exist. But guys getting pushed and the push stopping and them eventually getting bored and leaving is an issue of the past decade. HHH is not the reason all of those people are out of the company now, but he got the ball rolling in that direction. And back to my original point, it being harder to get new people over as stars can be traced directly back to start-stop pushes of new guys that started in the midst of HHH's megapush. Fans are now conditioned that pushes won't stick because that's what they've seen over and over for years now. It's a systemic flaw that grew out of HHH programs a decade ago and has continued after his run ended.
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Craig Johnson is clearing his throat, coughing, complaining about having a cold, etc., in some feeble attempt to play nise Lance Russell. But we get THE VIPER, who in Craig's words "looks like a big green man" and "sounds like a gas leak". You can hear someone laughing off camera. Classic wrestling cheese.
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Also what about all the OVW guys that did well there and fell off the face of the earth? Most of them didn't switch companies (some did), they just stopped wrestling. I'm talking about Dinsmore, the Bashams, the Heartbreakers, Jeter and Rico. LESNAR. Hassan. To name a few.
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Are you saying that Jericho, Benoit and Angle did not have main event pushes that started and then stopped, in some cases multiple times? Are you denying that this has happened repeatedly with other guys since then? We could start with RVD and Booker and end with Kingston, Barrett, Swagger, Sheamus and others. I agree that some guys look forward to the time off, but the money has been really good in previous eras too, and you had to drag guys away. Hogan and Flair are hurting financially now, for example, but they weren't always. Vince had to be the one to transition past Hogan and Savage and Bret. None of them walked away voluntarily. It's a shift in philosophy that I'm not blaming on HHH, as much as I am pointing out that his influence has resulted in a less exciting wrestling world -- both for people watching it and performing in it. You can make the points you want about newer guys keeping their priorities in order and saving their money well, which is valid. But would they be so eager to get out if wrestling was still as fun as it was years before, and also if they were being given more creative freedom and the ability to work programs that they enjoyed? Yes, that lies on Vince to some degree, but not entirely, or else the pattern of guys walking away would have been happening before HHH came into the picture. It wasn't.
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I think the impact of HHH having influence has been pretty disastrous. You could trace the push that starts and disappears back to HHH feuds with Jericho, Benoit and Angle in 2000. Now, it's really hard to get new guys over, because everyone expects the push to end within a few weeks and it usually does. I would also add that the last 10 years has seen so many guys walk away on their own accord. When has that ever happened in wrestling? In theory, since WWE owns the entire landscape, it should happen less than ever. Oftentimes, the guys leaving are making big money and are walking away because of creative differences or because they feel like they're spinning their wheels. HHH isn't to blame for all of that, but he definitely has been a big part of it.
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Raw did a 3.2 rating. Expect Dave hysterics about how this is bombing soon. It does make me wonder something. According to TVByTheNumbers.com, there was an increase in the 18-49 demo from last week. 0.2, so a small increase, but an increase. Which means they lost fans somewhere. Is it possible they're turning off the kids that tune in for Cena? Just a thought.
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No, I just misunderstood. The word "fatal" was the funny part, not the injury itself.
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You laughed at Sid's injury? Am I missing something? EDIT: Nevermind, it was explained to me.
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It is true that 2002-2006 is the second lowest period in company history (after 1992-1996), and during this time, it's hard to argue that HHH's overpush didn't turn people off.
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If HHH is good in this role, I'll be able to balance my view of him. Maybe his post-wrestling career will be different. But he's supplied no evidence that would make me think that it would be.
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