Everything posted by Loss
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[1999-03-04-WCW-Thunder] Hulk Hogan promo
Hogan plants the seed for his babyface turn for the first time and throws some potshots at Flair for considering wrestling the love of his life instead of his family. He points out that Ric didn't really react too strongly to his son turning on him, which proves he's rotten to the core. Hogan explains that he's a business man, but he loves his family. Hogan says all the things about Flair that are often said about him, which is amusing. The stakes are raised for Uncensored - if Flair wins at Uncensored, he will become World Champion *and* President of WCW "for life". However, if Hogan wins, Flair has to leave wrestling forever. I get the feeling Hogan believes a lot of what he's saying about Flair, which makes this even more fun.
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[1999-03-04-WCW-Thunder] Jim Duggan promo
Duggan actually asks fans to bow their heads for a prayer. He's thankful that he has been spared and he's looking forward to getting back in the ring. He's appreciative of WCW for sticking by his family. He promises everyone he's not going to change a thing despite what any wrestling experts may say. I think the key to Duggan staying over with live crowds so long was that he was genuinely likable.
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[1999-03-03-NJPW] Atsushi Onita and Masa Chono
Onita comes through the crowd and grabs a mic while getting pelted with garbage. Chono comes out to confront him. Big heat for all of this. Onita attacks Chono and beats him up with a microphone. Cameras follow Onita out of the building and he cuts a promo in the parking lot. Cool to see him in a new environment.
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[1999-03-01-WWF-Raw] Public Enemy parodies The Brood
Unfunny parody of Public Enemy - in their brief WWF run - mocking Edge and Christian. They fit in even less in this environment than they did in WCW.
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[1999-03-01-WCW-Nitro] Interview: Ric Flair
Flair does a great interview addressing David's turn. He mentions meeting a blonde in Raleigh, NC, 20 years who changed his life forever, and now she's sitting in Charlotte waiting on daddy to come home. Flair addresses his rematch with Hogan coming at Uncensored - a barbed-wire cage match for the World Title. Flair says America is going to get what they haven't had from a wrestling match in 10 years - they're going to load it up. It doesn't mean anything, but it's a cool way to make it seem like he's making some inside reference that wrestling used to be real and this match is going to be real. He makes sure Hogan knows how to "WHOOO" properly to close things out.
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- Monday Nitro
- March 1
- 1999
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- [1999-03-01-WCW-Nitro] Meng on Mortal Kombat
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[1999-03-01-WCW-Nitro] Rey Misterio Jr, Lex Luger and Kevin Nash
Luger distracts Rey during a post-match interview so Nash can attack him from behind.
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- March 1
- 1999
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[1999-03-01-WCW-Nitro] Hulk Hogan and Vincent
Hogan continues stirring the pot with the NWO B-Team, pitting Vincent against Stevie Ray.
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- March 1
- 1999
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[1999-03-01-WCW-Nitro] David Flair and Torrie Wilson vignette
Why is there a camera in the limo? David tells Torrie that according to his mom, Ric is retiring tonight. He plays a lot of voicemails from Ric on speakerphone looking to reconcile that he and Torrie laugh off.
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- 1999
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Matches of the Month
February: #1 - Mariko Yoshida vs Hiroumi Yagi (ARSION 02/18/99) ****3/4 #2 - El Hijo del Santo & Negro Casas vs Bestia Salvaje & Scorpio Jr. (CMLL 02/26/99) ****1/4 #3 - Great Sasuke vs Magnum Tokyo (Toryumon 02/07/99) **** #4 - Meiko Satomura vs Toshie Uematsu (GAEA 02/03/99) **** #5 - Tsubasa & Oriental vs Ultimo Guerrero & Virus (CMLL Japan 02/24/99) ***3/4 #6 - Bret Hart vs Booker T (WCW Monday Nitro 02/22/99) ***3/4 #7 - Chris Benoit & Dean Malenko vs Horace & Brian Adams (WCW Thunder 02/18/99) ***3/4 #8 - Super Crazy vs Yoshihiro Taijiri (ECW Crossing The Line 02/12/99) ***1/2 #9 - El Hijo del Santo & Negro Casas vs Bestia Salvaje & Scorpio Jr. (CMLL 02/05/99) ***1/4 #10 - Ric Flair vs Hulk Hogan (WCW SuperBrawl IX 02/21/99) *** #11 - The Rock vs Mankind (WWF Monday Night RAW 02/15/99) *** #12 - Steve Austin vs Vince McMahon (WWF St. Valentine's Day Massacre 02/14/99) #13 - Rey Misterio Jr. vs Kevin Nash (WCW Monday Nitro 02/22/99) #14 - El Dandy vs Fit Finlay (WCW Saturday Night 02/20/99) #15 - Christopher Daniels vs Steve Bradley (ECWA Super 8 02/27/99) #16 - Jerry Lawler & Streak vs Sean Stasiak & Brian Christopher (PPW TV 02/27/99) #17 - Jerry Lawler vs Sean Stasiak (PPW TV 02/20/99) #18 - Bret Hart vs Will Sasso (WCW Monday Nitro 02/15/99)
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[1999] Wrestling Expose on Dateline
NBC takes a look at the WWF being marketed to children. Vince claims there is nothing they would not do "in good tastes" (his quotes) to get an audience. Interesting how shots of Hogan and Savage are interspersed with guys Vince is credit for creating. The Dateline host is awfully condescending, but he does ask if the WWF is too trashy. Vince says what the President did in the Oval Office is more trashy than anything the WWF has ever done and we learn that Vince grew up with ADD and dyslexia. They recap his history taking over the WWWF from his dad. The second half of the special focuses on WCW, calling it "a sanitized version of the WWF. Bischoff and Bret Hart are interviewed, and Bret claims Vince wanted to portray him as a racist. There are too many gems here to capture them all. This is a fascinating look at Vince.
- [1999-02-27-ECWA-Super 8] Christopher Daniels vs Steve Bradley
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[1999-02-27-ECW-TV] Lance Storm and Tommy Dreamer
Joey Styles pays no attention to Lance Storm's promo, instead looking at Don Callis in the audience in the background and commenting on that. Storm insults Dreamer for not actually wearing wrestling gear. Styles continues to get more and more unbearable. Now Dawn Marie is mocking Beulah. Dreamer attacks Storm from behind, but Justin Credible quickly makes the save. Shane Douglas evens the odds and helps run off the yet-to-be-named Impact Players. Francine ends up brawling with Jason as well.
- [1999-02-27-MPPW-TV] Jerry Lawler & Streak vs Sean Stasiak & Brian Christopher
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[1999-02-27-MPPW-TV] Sean Stasiak, Mae Young & Stacy Carter
Sean is out with a weird statement calling his own sister as a slut. He has Polaroids of the two of them together, it looks like to cause a further rift between Lawler and Stacy. I'd love to see Memphis angles in the era of smartphones. He wants Stacy out to show her that they should get together since Lawler has moved on. He wants his mom to come out and meet Stacy. It's Mae Young! Wrestling has peaked. She continues insulting Stacy and they end up in a fight that Stasiak has to restrain, but he's unsuccessful. I LOVE Mae Young, so this is awesome. Lawler comes out to get a piece of Stasiak and they end up brawling. They end up making a Lawler/Stacy vs Stasiak/Mae Young match. What?
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- MPPW
- February 27
- 1999
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- [1999-02-27-MPPW-TV] Michael Hayes promo
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[1999-02-26-CMLL] El Hijo del Santo & Negro Casas vs Bestia Salvaje & Scorpio Jr
There's a vignette before the match of Casas watching their last match while nursing his injured knee when Santo walks in to talk it over with him. The knee is neither bandaged when the match starts, nor is Casas favoring it, so I might have misunderstood whatever he was doing, but it does eventually play into the match. This was a great match, much better than the previous tag. Lots of urgency and hate in this one, with Santo and Casas putting over the rudo team convincingly while also showing plenty of fire themselves. Great heat for all of this too. Casas' charisma really carries this to something special - just little things like the way he looks at the crowd and his pitch-perfect selling keeps the people pretty hyped.
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[1999-02-24-CMLL Japan] Tsubasa & Oriental vs Ultimo Guerrero & Virus
I thought this was an excellent match. Virus looked really good, so I guess he's had a really long period where he's been a strong worker. There are a few times where the execution is slightly off, but they manage to save themselves every time and they figure out how to get over great in front of the Japanese crowd, throwing in quite a few moves that I don't really associate with lucha libre like the top rope overhead inverted DDT thing that I'm sure has an actual name. I think this was a little long in the tooth at nearly a half hour, and would have been better suited to go about 16-18 minutes, but they never let up on the pace and crafted a match I'm glad I got to see. Interesting finish too. And I'll never complain about hearing "Rebel Yell" in any capacity.
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WCW ongoing thread
We got the amazing new entrance music out of all that.
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The Minis Thread
Great idea! Are you up for some recommendations?
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Was the Invasion always destined to fail?
I think the only way we'd ever get an interpromotional feud the way we want it is with third-party booking. Vince can have every honest intention in the world of presenting WCW as the WWF's equal, but he's so intrinsic to his own biases that he likely won't even notice when he's doing something like that. I think that's human nature, it's not even something I see as a huge flaw necessarily. He's just too in the trenches to be objective. Vince needed a week-to-week advisor outside his bubble. He supposedly called Dave at the very beginning to ask him how he would do it and Dave gave him his advice, but Vince went in pretty much the exact opposite direction of that.
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Match Length
What do people generally think of the Doom-Horsemen match at Starrcade '90? That one is pretty great too, and it only went 7:19.
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Match Length
I will say that something like the Lawler-Snowman match that went four minutes in 1990 challenged everything I thought I knew about great matches and good presentation. A four-minute house show main event with a double DQ finish still managed to be pretty spectacular. It's a reminder that while we can come up with general rules that are usually true, there will always be noteworthy exceptions to every rule about how pro wrestling is supposed to be.
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Shawn Michaels
Glad to see Shawn getting some big love. I don't personally rank him at quite that level, but it's good that we have some people here willing to advocate for him.