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Loss

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  1. Things more interesting to me: - The first Wrestlemania was actually a closed circuit show, as were Starrcades 1983-1986. Still, I thought they'd include them and I'm glad they did. - By that same logic, a little disappointed that there are no pre-1988 Great American Bashes, although none were pay-per-views and the commercial releases were tour highlights. Based on the footage that has been released over the years, I have always suspected all the Bash house shows from 1986-1988 at the very least were taped in full for possible use on the tour video. - Cool that they included the UK only pay-per-views. - Other shows that weren't pay-per-views but that I was hoping they'd colloquially put under this umbrella anyway were the Crockett Cup shows, Clash of the Champions and the ECW "white box" commercial releases prior to Barely Legal - No No Holds Barred: The Match, The Movie. No HOT TICKET pay-per-views like Hulk Hogan: A Real American Story or the Wrestlemania history one (not that we are missing much in either case).
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    Same for Jericho. For Lesnar in '02. You could even argue that Undertaker never really became a draw until the last few years, even though he's always been pushed like one.
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    Where did Dave even get the Seattle thing?
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    RAW had a huge dropoff in the third hour last night. I don't really understand what's going on here, but yeah, Daniel Bryan in the main event wasn't enough to keep people tuned in. 8 p.m. 4.43 million 9 p.m. 4.22 million 10 p.m. 3.98 million Next week will be Orton vs Cena, which I'm sure will do a bigger number and WWE will have more proof that they are right to take the direction they are taking.
  7. That's an interesting topic. In fact, one reason I stopped watching WWE for so long is that the whole time I was watching, I was playing armchair booker. That's not really my preferred way to watch wrestling. But since I've started watching again, I've caught myself doing it again already. It's not so much that it has to be done my way in order for me to enjoy it. It's more that I genuinely want all wrestling to be good and when it's not, it's frustrating, so I start thinking of ways it could be better. On the other point, wrestling promotions have managed to both satisfy their hardcore base and draw casual fans in the past, so we know that it can be done. I think it would be a mistake to call the recent CM Punk and Daniel Bryan stuff something hardcore fans are doing. The reactions are too loud and happen in too many "non-smark" cities for it not to be a casual thing. I think it's more that there are two audiences watching WWE and they are diametrically opposed on what they want from it. WWE can opt to either appeal to one side or the other, or they can try to continue to just ride the middle. But when they do ride the middle, I'm not sure they maximize the potential of either audience. The network is a game changer. In itself, it will push more fans into the bubble. WWE is creating a new generation of hardcore fans, or at least, they are training their casual audience to act like hardcore fans. I mean, it's hard to call someone who has every pay-per-view ever on their smartphone a casual fan. Like anything else, there are positives (enthusiasm and loyalty) and negatives (harder to please). I think the reason WWE has a lot of these issues now is that they have established that fans don't always get what they want in the end. They used to be masters of the fairy tale ending, and they don't have that reputation anymore. In general, the better the booking is over the long haul, the more the glass is half full, and the more fans are willing to give the benefit of the doubt when there are hiccups along the way. And those hiccups are inevitable when producing 52 weeks of first-run programming each year.

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