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Should Bret vs Vince get a mention?

What an utter disaster of a wrestling promotion. Seriously.

Oh, pretty much everything from the Sting vs Vampiro feud in 2000 WCW is worth a mention.

It turns out that we cannot fix our apostrophe issue without an upgrade. So the choices are either to deal with that or upgrade. I feel like it's necessary unfortunately, even though I too prefer the current interface. I'm not even sure how much longer Invision will support this version, which puts us at greater risk of losing everything and having no way to retrieve it.

Does anyone remember that infamous tag from RAW with I think Trish & Bradshaw against Jackie Gayda & Chris Nowinski? That match was pretty amazing in how bad it was. Trish even mentioned it in her HOF speech.

We have the option to upgrade, which would make the interface very similar to DVDVR and should fix the majority of the tech issues we have had lately. From your experience, what are the positives and negatives of posting (and administrating - for DVDVR admins) on that software?

Because of the PPV offering and the money they would lose if people cancelled after one month, I suspect it will be all or nothing. Give us six months or give us nothing, basically. And I think considering the old model, that's more than fair.

The 1.5% figure is just doing the math. If they've announced that there will be over 1500 hours of content at launch, and they've said they have over 100,000 hours of content in their library, then that means 1.5% of their content will be available. It's not new info.

I'm not sure. I think Barry showed some good stuff after turning heel and Watts decided to go with it.

Selling the effects of the snakebite.

I want Ric Flair to move in with Dawna from the ICW Teen Reports.

I think Austin was put in the spot because Watts wanted to finally give Barry Windham a big singles run, and Barry was in a career renaissance. That's what he said in his Wrestle Perspective interview. But yes, Windham and Pillman were a really good team.

Wow is he broke. Hogan is doing a total job at Wrestlemania!

Whether that's their current plan or not, if they're in tune with their subscribers and there's a demand for more, I could see them following suit. There's probably a lot of pressure on the digital team right now to work quickly.

Can we not have a conversation about Warrior's personal character, please? It's not going to go anywhere good.

OJ, if the fast-paced style of Saint and Grey is what I've liked best so far, what do you think I'll like best in other years?

Pretty easily, yes.

Here's a revised list. This will get revised again when I check out the other promotions, but this is everything I could get my hands on for now. #1 - Johnny Saint vs Steve Grey (Joint Promotions 01/28/80) ***** #2 - Jim Breaks vs Young David (Joint Promotions 02/13/80) ****3/4 #3 - Buddy Rose & Rip Oliver vs Jay Youngblood & Joe Lightfoot (PNW 11/15/80) ****3/4 #4 - Nick Bockwinkel vs Billy Robinson (AJPW 12/11/80) ****1/2 #5 - Mighty Inoue & Higo Hamaguchi vs Spike Huber & Rocky Brewer (IWE 07/25/80) ****1/2 #6 - Buddy Rose vs Rick Martel (PNW 08/09/80) ****1/2 #7 - Tatsumi Fujinami vs Kengo Kimura (NJPW 09/25/80) ****1/2 #8 - Buddy Rose & Ed Wiskowski vs Roddy Piper & Rick Martel (PNW 08/02/80) ****1/4 #9 - Buddy Rose vs Rick Martel (PNW 05/17/80) ****1/4 #10 - Jon Cortez vs Peter Lapaque (Joint Promotions 01/28/80) ****1/4 #11 - Buddy Rose & Rip Oliver vs Jay Youngblood & Joe Lightfoot (PNW 11/08/80) ****1/4 #12 - Buddy Rose vs Rick Martel (PNW 04/26/80) ****1/4 #13 - Tatsumi Fujinami vs Tony Rocco (NJPW 09/11/80) ****1/4 #14 - Jumbo Tsuruta vs Dick Slater (AJPW 05/01/80) ****1/4 #15 - Tatsumi Fujinami vs Steve Keirn (NJPW 02/01/80) **** #16 - Jon Cortez vs Jeff Kaye (Joint Promotions 02/05/80) **** #17 - Tatsumi Fujinami vs Dynamite Kid (NJPW 02/05/80) **** #18 - Strong Kobayashi & Haruka Eigen vs Mighty Inoue & Isamu Teranishi (IWE 06/29/80) **** #19 - Tatsumi Fujinami & Kantaro Hoshino vs Dynamite Kid & Steve Keirn (NJPW 01/18/80) **** #20 - Ringo Rigby vs Johnny South (Joint Promotions 08/05/80) **** #21 - Bob Backlund vs Stan Hansen (NJPW 09/30/80) ***3/4 #22 - Ricky Morton vs Sonny King (Memphis 04/26/80) ***3/4 #23 - Satoru Sayama & Gran Hamada vs Perro Aguayo & Babyface (UWA 04/13/80) ***3/4 #24 - Mighty Inoue & Animal Hamaguchi vs Carlos Plata & El Doberman (IWE 11/27/80) ***3/4 #25 - Jumbo Tsuruta & Giant Baba vs Dory & Terry Funk (AJPW 12/11/80) ***1/2 #26 - Jeff Kaye vs Tony Walsh (Joint Promotions 01/28/80) ***1/2 #27 - The Sheik vs Ricky Steamboat (AJPW 12/09/80) ***1/2 #28 - Bill Dundee & Tony Boyles vs Wayne Farris & Larry Latham (Memphis 06/07/80) ***1/2 #29 - Buddy Rose vs Butch Miller (PNW 06/07/80) ***1/2 #30 - Jumbo Tsuruta vs Dick Murdoch (AJPW 03/05/80) ***1/2 #31 - Antonio Inoki vs Stan Hansen (NJPW 05/09/80) ***1/2 #32 - Tatsumi Fujinami vs Steve Keirn (NJPW 11/06/80) ***1/2 #33 - Roddy Piper vs Buddy Rose (PNW 09/13/80) ***1/4 #34 - Harley Race vs Giant Baba (AJPW 09/09/80) ***1/4 #35 - Tatsumi Fujinami vs Tony Londos (NJPW 09/19/80) ***1/4 #36 - Antonio Inoki vs Stan Hansen (NJPW 04/03/80) ***1/4 #37 - Chavo Guerrero vs Kengo Kimura (NJPW 11/03/80) ***1/4 #38 - Pat Roach vs Dalibar Singh (Joint Promotions 04/21/80) *** #39 - Antonio Inoki vs Stan Hansen (NJPW 09/11/80) *** #40 - Bill Dundee vs Tommy Rich (Memphis 08/23/80) *** #41 - Bill Dundee vs Paul Ellering (Memphis 05/24/80) *** #42 - Tatsumi Fujinami vs Chavo Guerrero (NJPW 05/09/80) *** #43 - Gran Hamada vs Babyface (NJPW 04/03/80) *** #44 - Harley Race vs Rick Martel (PNW 01/12/80) #45 - Carlos Plata, El Doberman & Goro Tsurumi vs Animal Hamaguchi, Isamu Teranishi & Mach Hayato (IWE 11/12/80) #46 - Bobby Heenan & Nick Bockwinkel vs Greg Gagne & Super Destroyer Mark II (AWA 10/03/80) #47 - Carlos Plata & El Doberman vs Mighty Inoue & Mach Hayato (IWE 11/01/80) #48 - Harley Race vs Giant Baba (AJPW 09/04/80) #49 - Verne Gagne vs Nick Bockwinkel (AWA 07/18/80) #50 - Charly Verhulst vs Mile Zrno (CWA 07/12/80) #51 - Bill Dundee vs Larry Latham (Memphis 04/19/80) #52 - Jumbo Tsuruta vs Dick Murdoch (AJPW 02/23/80) #53 - Antonio Inoki vs Stan Hansen (NJPW 02/08/80) #54 - Sammy Lee vs Sid Cooper (Joint Promotions 10/08/80) #55 - Chavo Guerrero vs Kengo Kimura (NJPW 09/30/80) #56 - Lord Alfred Hays vs Bobby Heenan (AWA 01/13/80) #57 - Tatsumi Fujinami vs Ron Starr (NJPW 09/30/80) #58 - Greg Gagne vs Super Destroyer Mark (AWA 05/01/80) #59 - Rusher Kimura vs Alexis Smirnoff (IWE 11/22/80)

Gosh, I'm sorry I posted that. I really don't want to re-hash the debate and I should have thought better of it. You can respond if you want, but I'm hoping I can just let this thread be no matter what.

John, I meant more that his editorial slant has changed. He used to side with labor on most issues. He seems to side with management now on most issues. And I would wager that's at least partially because of who he talks to the most.

Seriously ? Flair going to the tope rope only to get thrown out every damn time (as a heel at least), Flair choping no-selling Sting or Luger with him looking like a complete idiot and begging off like a clown, Flair bumping for the referee. Seriously ? Come on... ANd I don't even talk about the entire figure-four deal that John described in details earlier on. I never thought it made his opponent look technically sound to the point he could reverse the dreaded hold applied by the master, it only made Ric Flair look like a complete fool. In term of psychology, Flair's use of the figure four was not much different from "you can't powerbomb Kidman", really (which, surprisingly, hasn't annoyed me that much on rewatch). Flair was supposed to be the master, but anyone that was above JTTS level reversed it the exact same way to the exact same result. It didn't make the opponent look specifically good, it made for a fun spot that the crowd loved because Flair looked like a fool and he sold it like a bitch. Flair was the bitch of all bitches, and he was great at it. Well there were these two. One from El-P and one from Yo-Yo's Roomie. Every single thing you cited was about selling, bumping and giving an opponent offense (with the possible exception of a referee shove which you called "offense"), which you swore was not what you meant by "playing the bitch". I was in the process of breaking each thing down, but the quote function was making it too much of a headache, even more than this thread is already a headache.

In which posts was it explained? Please link to them. I asked follow up questions about how "playing the bitch" differs from selling, bumping, giving an opponent offense, etc. and they were only answered as something that was already repeatedly explained in great detail. I just re-read this myself and had the exact opposite takeaway. EDIT: I'm not sure why I even posted a response to this, because I think I'm being trolled. But I'll leave it here, what the hell.