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This was a really clever match. Really clever. So much of how it's worked is about letting Embry's heel turn resonate. Embry and Young aren't a well-oiled machine in terms of timing their teamwork, but why would anyone expect them to be? I'm probably reading too much into it, but it seems intentional. Embry and Jarrett have a great roll-around brawl and Jarrett plays FIP while Dundee riles up the crowd from the apron. Young eats the loss and ends up getting attacked. Gary Young is a babyface and people are cheering him. Well, I didn't expect that partnership to last. Young makes a comeback and gets major fan support, which is just surreal, but Steve Austin attacks Young from behind. This isn't a traditional great match, but it tells a really interesting story, and I'm glad it's here. (I don't think the date is right, but whatever.)
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I do think Sting was better in the Vader matches than Luger was in any match, and I also think Sting was less physically awkward in general. But Luger from 1988 to 1991 or so I do think was the better wrestler with higher output and more versatility. Luger never developed into a great wrestler by any means, but Sting really didn't either.
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Oddly enough, the first Japanese matches I ever saw were Maeda vs Fujinami and the famous Jumbo/Tenryu vs Choshu/Yatsu match. I didn't get Maeda vs Fujinami at all, but loved the tag. Then I saw Liger vs Samurai from the '92 BOSJ final and the '95 J Cup. Kind of a weird trajectory.
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The first Lucha match I ever saw was a cibernetico. That is the absolute worst possible way to try and start watching Lucha and kept me from going back for years. I can't even imagine. I've been watching lucha for a few years now, but I've never seen a Cibernetico match. Yet I'm still mildly concerned about being able to make sense of what's happening when I see it.
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I always thought the biggest challenge in "getting" lucha was not the singles matches, but the trios matches.
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I'm glad everyone is enjoying the debate. As for me, the seemingly constant piss and vinegar is starting to take its toll. I don't know that it's necessarily because recent times have been more vitriolic than normal. That may not be true. It more of a cumulative effect. This is why I've been fairly quiet since the Bret vs Flair thread. I may just be burned out on going back and forth on every little thing, but it seems like people around here are angrier lately. That's not to say I haven't participated in my fair share of that too. But sometimes, it's exhausting.
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I would like to remind everyone that mid-90s AAA regularly outdrew Wrestlemania VII in the same Los Angeles venue.
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I've got it. Jericho will reveal Ryback to be a hypocrite who people cheer even when he does unjust things, and commit the next few months to hiding him behind a mask where he belongs. His catchphrase is "Feed Me", but Jericho will reveal that he actually has lunch on a regular basis with his alcoholic sister. His alcoholic sister, who Jericho will punch in the face, was sidelined for a year with a terrible knee injury. During this time, Ryback had no lunch companion, and that's how his catchphrase was born. He was very hungry by the time he had his match each night. Jericho will REVEL in showing the HYPOCRISY behind this somehow.
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A Jericho/Ryback feud ... blech. Does Ryback even have a sister whose alcoholism can be exploited? Perhaps Jericho could do a full investigation that proves that Ryback asks to be fed when he has already eaten. And they could do an angle where Jericho throws food all over him and screams "YOU'VE BEEN FED!" The point is ... I'm tired of bloated heel Jericho storylines.
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In the case of Booker, he had some good matches in 1998, then a dry spell. Then some good matches in 2001-2002, then a dry spell. Then some good matches in 2005-2006, then a dry spell. I'm not sure what wins out.
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Jerry, could you elaborate on why you picked those wrestlers? I'm not sure every wrestler even has a prime. Someone like Booker T who has been good at times on and off, but who no one really considers one of the greats, is hard to pin down because he doesn't even really have a peak.
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I'd rather him work with Damien Sandow, who I really think has big potential as a top heel.
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Jericho is very over right now as a babyface, just like he was last time he returned. They turned him last time no one wanted to boo him and it really got his entire run off on a bad note. It looks like they didn't learn from that, and they're going to repeat the mistake. I've never understood why WWE has been so hesitant to really go with a babyface Chris Jericho in a headline position for an extended period of time. They have no problem doing it as a heel, but I am guessing Vince likes him as a babyface very much.
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Most of this has been discussed before. Is John Cena a better worker than Kurt Angle? Would John Cena make your personal top 100? Better In-Ring Performer - Hogan or Cena? Please use the index and bump old topics as needed. Thanks.
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This was awesome! As an actual *wrestling* match, this is the best thing the USWA has had in 1990 or 1991. I love the finish of Pritchard wrapping something around his foot so he could kick Jarrett coming off the ropes then give him a nasty enzuigiri. Lots of great nearfalls as well. I am looking forward to watching this feud progress, and I'm glad we have so many more matches to see between them.
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Really good match. Once you really get to know Santo and Casas as wrestlers, their matches aren't going to surprise you the way that someone like Dandy or Satanico would, but they still had an excellent match. Anyone who thinks Flair is a routine guy should really check out Santo, but that's another story. Anyway, this is mostly mat-based and it's nice work. In some ways, this feels like the Liger/Ultimo Tokyo Dome match of lucha -- some fun spots, but they've been copied by others so many times that they look a little tired because they were overdone later. The primary one is the alternating pin attempts after leg sweeps, followed by the standoff, but there are others. Casas wins clean with a sharpshooter in a surprise result. I really dug him using the ropes for leverage to try to turn Santo's cross-legged headscissors into a pin attempt early in the match.
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February: #1 - Ric Flair, Barry Windham, Larry Zbyszko & Sid Vicious vs Sting, Brian Pillman, Rick & Scott Steiner (WCW Wrestle War 02/24/91) ****1/2 #2 - Atsushi Onita vs Tarzan Goto (FMW 02/26/91) ****1/4 #3 - Barry Windham & Arn Anderson vs Brad Armstrong & Tim Horner (WCW Saturday Night 02/02/91) ***3/4 #4 - Barry Windham & Arn Anderson vs Ricky Morton & Tommy Rich (WCW Pro 02/02/91) ***1/2 #5 - Los Brazos vs Kato Kung Lee, Super Astro & Volador (CMLL 02/08/91) ***1/2 #6 - Eddie Gilbert vs Jeff Jarrett (USWA Dallas Sportatorium 02/22/91) ***1/2 #7 - Mitsuharu Misawa & Toshiaki Kawada vs Steve Williams & Terry Gordy (AJPW 02/26/91) ***1/4 #8 - Vader vs Stan Hansen (WCW Wrestle War 02/24/91) ***1/4 #9 - Lex Luger vs Dan Spivey (WCW Wrestle War 02/24/91) *** #10 - Bill Dundee vs Eric Embry (USWA Dallas Sportatorium 02/22/91) *** #11 - Arn Anderson vs Bobby Eaton (WCW Power Hour 02/02/91) #12 - Jerry Lawler & Jeff Jarrett vs Steve Austin & Rod Price (USWA Dallas Sportatorium 02/08/91) #13 - Jerry Lawler vs Eddie Gilbert (USWA Dallas Sportatorium 02/15/91) #14 - Megumi Kudo vs Combat Toyoda (FMW 02/27/91) Overall thoughts: A couple of great matches and lots of good ones. Hard to complain.
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I was hoping to get into this more, but Combat Toyoda is really too much of a poor man's version of Aja Kong. I like Kudo and I usually appreciate the way she paces matches, but I'm not crazy about her in this match either. The '96 death match is such an epic that I thought an earlier match between them might be a hidden gem. Not so much.
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This was a surprisingly super match. It was really a high-quality wrestling match, window-dressed with some brawling and violence. The pacing and build of this was really good, and they had the crowd hanging on every nearfall down the home stretch. They throw some nasty punches at each other and both are bleeding like stuck pigs. The way I'm describing it doesn't fully do it justice, but I really do think this is the best Onita singles match I have ever seen. Goto makes a great opponent for him.
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This was a really solid match, but 25 minutes was a bit too long for these guys -- not that they couldn't pull it off, but more that they didn't pull it off. The match felt like it was stuck in second gear the whole time. The crowd was waiting to go crazy, and every time they started really getting into the action, the wrestlers did something to kill the momentum. Gordy cutting off Kawada's kicks is one big example. This was a crowd that clearly wanted to see Misawa/Kawada offense and instead they got Doc and Gordy doing leg work. A big turning point is Gordy moving out of the way of Misawa's dive, making him susceptible to a powerbomb on the floor, rendering him a non-factor for the rest of the match while Kawada is left to fend for himself. This match had lots of good stuff, but I really wish they had given the crowd a little more of what they wanted, which was a dominant Misawa and Kawada. Kawada does get a few kickouts after wrestling on his own for a few minutes, which makes him look like superman, but it just wasn't enough for me. I guess that's why they have rematches.
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