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Pete says it. This is one of Lawler's best promos on the set, but something about him calling his greatest opponent "trivial" doesn't seem right. I wish Lawler had some "You may be good, but I'm still better" stuff, but he completely undermines everyone on the opposite side of the fence.
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kick butt *clap* kick butt *clap* kick butt *clap* kick butt *clap* The fans are REALLY into this feud. This is compelling stuff that doubled the attendance at Mid South Coliseum, actually. After the women make their rounds, Lawler cuts a scathing promo on Snowman, and Snowman wants him to get in the ring. As Pete mentioned, Lawler hasn't fully turned yet, but he's not acting as obnoxious as he was. Lawler goes into the ring to face Freezer Thompson, a prelim guy who is likely not just coincidentally black. Downtown Bruno has been recruited to watch Lawler's back, which takes forever to get started because of Lawler's reaction to the rowdy crowd and Snowman's antics at ringside. This has to be one of the most heated studio crowds in history. The squash is prolonged much longer than it would normally be to play off the drama of Snowman at ringside and get over the Lawler/Snowman feud. The most interestingly booked and fresh feeling feud of the year.
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The title of this thread is purposely written this way so we don't have to have debates over the name of the style being "shoot style" or "UWF style". This is a style that isn't for everyone, and some matches are definitely easier to get into than others. But what are some of the best matches for people who like more traditional pro wrestling to really get into this style? I can list a few of the more theatrical matches I like, but it always seems like those are the matches the really devoted fans of the style don't care for. I'll post some later, but have at it. I do think it's possible for people who start and hate it to eventually like it.
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Oh come on. The story wasn't Family Man Ric Flair, the story was Legend Ric Flair Putting It All On The Line To See If He Could Be The Man One More Time. That his family would support him in such an endeavor makes perfect sense. Also, Flair was an aging playboy bordering on 45 years old and it was an appropriate shift. Yes, it was a left turn from Fifi, and yes, Flair is most likely not the ideal dad or husband, but it was a step in the right direction.
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Race did WAY too much in Vader matches. A guy his age had no business taking suplexes on the arena floor and entrance ramp. I do agree with that, even though he worked his ass off.
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I hated Flair with Perfect so much! No one should be a manager who can't bump, or else they never get their comeuppance. Perfect's liberal interference in WM 8 without ever eating a punch from Savage STILL pisses me off. I would have probably liked the two as a sometimes tag team much more.
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I'm a big fan of Sherri, but the Flair/Sherri pairing really made Flair seem like a cartoon character. It didn't fit his character at all. Sherri should be paired with someone more eccentric, and Flair should be paired with someone wealthy, well-dressed and cunning. Flair/Woman together I liked. Flair/Sherri didn't click for me.
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It's easy to name and describe tons of wrestlers victimized by bad booking, but there's no reason to say who the MOST screwed over ever is.
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And of those, only Vader is in the HOF.
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Sting is someone who should have been bigger than he was, and was put in many impossible situations. No doubt. But I don't like the idea of using a Hall of Fame to right wrongs.
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I will listen. The first Clash is one of my favorite wrestling shows ever. It's at worst in the top three or four.
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I actually think this is a perfectly reasonable question, even if I don't quite agree with it. I do think Bret is a HOF pick, but I don't think he should have gone in by fiat. I still think he should have gone on the ballot. Now, he's a HOFer for sure, but I'm not sure that was a clear cut case in 1996. I do think by 1997, he made the case. Austin was the guy they needed to carry them to new heights, but I've always contended that the turnaround could not have happened without Bret. There was a noticeable difference on shows he headlined compared to those he didn't, even as early as late 1995, when there was a house show boom almost instantly when they switched the title from Diesel to Bret. He became the Flair of that time period in a sense - not a huge draw, but a guy they always seemed to go back to because whatever new thing they tried didn't quite work. The WWF always had a foothold in Canada, but Bret made it a strong market in 1997 that they were running more regularly. He also was *probably* an international draw. (I don't know how those tours did after he made it to the top, but he was so beloved that I'm willing to believe it.) He was the best worker in the company for a pretty long stretch, and I say that as someone who gets really bored by Bret going on auto pilot on small shows. He had main event matches that were much better than just about anything we got out of the company in the 1980s. He's probably not a slam dunk pick, but he's a strong pick.
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It's one thing for HHH to cut his hair. HHH wrestling with short hair will be very strange.
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Dave still occasionally drops in passing how great that match was.
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Kevin Sullivan recruiting a bunch of meatheads to join a cult is a pretty awesome idea, I must say.
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John also mentioned that Eric Bischoff should probably be in the HOF. I don't agree. His failures have outnumbered his successes, and they were so huge in scope that they had a far bigger and more lasting impact on wrestling as a whole than the two-year period where he was doing well. It's impressive what he accomplished during his good years, but the bad stuff can't help but overwhelm it.