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Bret and Jim had way better matches as heels. Classic MSG matches with the Bulldogs, Killer Bees and Rougeaus (who I think were better as faces, but I've heard great stuff about their matches with Shawn and Marty). When they turned face, those levels of matches were fewer and far between, and it was clear that at a few stages they were really testing the waters with Bret as a singles guy, giving him matches with Perfect as early as 89 and Shawn the following year.

This was at a house show

I saw Bret/Shawn in a cage in December '93 On this basis alone I give the edge to Bryan. Bret's angles in the 90's mostly sucked, outside of what he did from 96 until he left. The Owen feud was hot and memorable to a degree, but weighed down by family drama that even felt a little phony to me as a kid. The stuff with Lawler had it's moments but was largely placating Bret from the top spot.

He said he grew up watching the Von Erichs on an episode of WWE Untold about the Malone match. Malone did too I guess, I vaguely remember hearing something about his mother taking the whole family from where they lived in Louisiana to see them. My guess is he became more of a casual fan, and mistakes like that could be chalked up to the WWF also having reached out to him around the same time.

13 episodes coming this month. Nothing I know as far as timeframe, but my guess is they would be from around 92-93 to match up with the episodes of Superstars they already have up.

Of the episodes I've seen they never used a voiceover. People laud Bobby Heenan's work at the 92 Rumble as his best ever, but if there was ever anything equal to it in WCW it would have been that night at the Georgia Dome when Goldberg put away Hogan.

13 episodes of Wrestling Challenge coming this month I watched the episode of Untold about Goldberg's undefeated streak. Very good perspectives on that time in WCW. Kevin Nash does not look well.

I realize it's not the most important part of this discussion, but I think it was honorable of Stephanie to use the trending hashtag, since it was using his AEW name.

Apparently Andre was booked in the '91 Rumble to be eliminated by Taker with one blow.

I love the story Brutus Beefcake told about working those tag matches, and that when Tiny got too rough all anyone had to say was "free James Brown" and he'd let go. For some reason I love that he was a face in Puerto Rico, simply because of how much I would think that fanbase would hate Hulk Hogan. His scene in The Dark Knight was awesome. Christopher Nolan knows how to cast deep from the bench, and between his and Eric Roberts' performances that movie might have been the best at that aspect of his style.

I remember in The Last Dance, Michael Jordan saying "whenever they talk about Michael Jordan they should also talk about Scottie Pippen" in terms of how much they helped each other in what they became. I get the feeling, from how much he was talked about being in Vince's ear, that Vince feels the same way.

At Jim Ross' Hall of Fame speech he spoke glowingly of Pat, hinting that he stopped being homophobic because of their friendship. I found that kind of moving, being a believer in the better angels of our nature and all that.

They should do what the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and HBO did this year, and just do it all from their homes.

So it's November and no new news. At least nothing I've seen yet. I wonder if they'll scrap the HOF like the did in the 90's.

After Survivor Series went off the air, they ran a promo for a new documentary series to air next year called Icons, with episodes on Lex Luger, Davey Boy Smith, Yokozuna and someone else.

That has remained my favorite take of the election on Twitter so far.

(paraphrasing) Bill Watts: ...this was around the time JFK was killed and the territory just went into the toilet (actual response) RF: What year was that?

I seem to recall hearing there was actual racial tension between the two men, that smoothed over as time went on. Slick inducted Boss Man into the HOF which I imagine would be a testament to that.

I watched this for the first time several months ago. Something that gets a little lost in the history of this, is that this is the last big match Vince called before becoming leaving the booth and becoming an on-screen character. It's a very interesting transition in that we see him call a match that would become an Attitude Era (and beyond) staple, that would introduce a character that would be pretty integral to the company for 2 decades.

I liked it too. During the Monday Night Wars I really grew to hate him, and thought the whole Taker-Kane feud was over the top WWF silliness but looking back I can recognize how brilliant some of it was.

This is probably the first time I ever heard Petty's music. I was 9 years old and music wasn't that big a deal to me (that would come more when I was 13). In all probability I'm sure I heard stuff of his on the radio before that but I never really took notice. I saw him in a documentary a decade later or so and he said rock and roll was becoming like pro wrestling. He said something to the effect of "the fans know it's fake but they love it anyway". That had more wisdom about both that made me admire him all the more.

I have to think that with Netflix as the primary distributor, and not the WWE Network, there will be some more emphasis on hitting him with harder questions. I don't expect it to be any sort of old-school Mike Wallace "gotcha" type journalism, and those subjects will surely just be grazed upon with little or no substance towards him about it. At the bare minimum, I think it could just be entertaining to watch if they get anything good out of him. He was fascinating in his relative candor in the Andre doc, which Simmons helped produce.

Trying to think who'd be comparable to Denzel, and it's either Bret or Shawn but I'm leaning more towards Bret. Bret made his name as a technician and not so much a flashy persona, but became WWF champion. Denzel did serious theater and television, won two Oscars, but credibly headlined several movies by the producer perhaps most like Vince McMahon, Jerry Bruckheimer. Comparable egos, and I would not doubt it if Denzel ever thought to himself that he was the best there, is the best there was and the best there ever will be. And he'd probably be right.