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I watched most of it this afternoon. Bret had a great speech despite the obvious setback, maybe the best one of the night. DX wasn't awful but not anything memorable for me. It was at a much better pace than previous shows, so it's clear they learned some lessons but not enough. They need to close it off and just hype it as a Network special, maybe not even do it WM weekend anymore.

Please do not twist what I said into approval of their "humor", either.

...like the kind of humor of going into jive when praising Harlem Heat?

I literally told my brother earlier today that this started going downhill the minute they let any mark with enough cash come in and watch.

I find this very interesting only in that I remember the time A&E did episodes of Biography on WWE talent, until the network obtained the rights to Wrestling With Shadows and that was finished.

Vader for Legacy Wing 2020, you heard it here first folks.

Just learned they shot four more episodes, including episodes on Benoit and Dino Bravo. They'll air depending on how well this does in the ratings. This is a perfect network for this kind of show so I doubt it'll be an issue.

Nobody in the celebrity wing then?

I surely hope not, but some people on Twitter/reddit really have a weed up their ass about it. Jim Cornette just said it's "the most absolute truthful outside media piece I've seen on wrestling in 40 years". It's really nothing nobody here already doesn't know, but the interesting thing is that it's finally shouted from a fairly high position. More because this is on YouTube than even HBO. Realistically I don't think anything will come from it, but I can appreciate the attempt nonetheless. It's an amazing bit of reporting, and hilarious as well.

Looks interesting. I'm surprised Montreal is a topic being covered, since it's been done to death online and the Wrestling With Shadows doc stands as kind of the ultimate statement of everything that happened.

Even still I think it was more of a common thing for WCW guys to be backstage at WWF shows and vice versa than we think, just that it was kept as hush-hush as possible so nobody got in trouble. Stevie Ray had a nice story about meeting Owen Hart about a year or so before he died, and I can think of a few others too. Bret Hart talked about meeting Flair in 1989, as a guest of Bobby Heenan's.

I think he said as much in shoot interviews, that family issues precluded him from working at the time.

Rotunda was there too, though in what turned out to be a non-working capacity as well. It's a shame the 10-man tag didn't happen, I can think of 2-3 matches that could have been shelved in favor of it. I don't find it hard to believe either, he left suddenly in 89 but I wouldn't think it was on bad terms with the company. The Little Richard story was fascinating. I heard Jennie Garth was a chore to deal with generally so not surprised about that either.

With the crowd booing it the whole way it's also tempered with some levity, and the impetus of the whole USA/Canada divide that would play out on TV for the rest of the year. Looking back I wasn't really ever excited by the fact that the company would involve Bret's family in nearly every angle he was in, but this paid it all off brilliantly and it is an emotional moment. I doubt Bret gives this much thought, but I'm glad that the last image we had of him and Owen together were as brothers not opponents.

In retrospect I like this promo video a lot. Maybe one of the very few times they ever built a match on athletics alone as there was no major angle leading up to it (though this was going to be the start of one, thus Bret storming out of the ring at the end of the match). This one speaks for itself. It encapsulates everything the Attitude Era was about, at what was undoubtedly it's very peak before veering off into a new direction post-WCW. The role Jim Ross plays in both of these is not to be understated either, it is major proof why he was the voice of the company during this time.

Not a singles match but he was on Warrior's team without Bret at the '89 Survivor Series, and that went last.

Bret is quoted as being very insecure with doing heel promos during the initial run, so it made Neidhart by default the main guy. In the ring at least, I don't think either guy could have topped Jimmy Hart as far as promos. Pushing Bret as a singles while still having Jim around, working in the same gear didn't make much sense. They did it a little bit with Shawn later on too. I think the first inkling of a serious singles push came at the end of that Survivor Series 90 match where Bret and Ted Dibiase have a good little match of their own. Reading about it in Bret's book in the context of his brother Dean's death was very moving. He might have had a few shining moments on television and in house shows, but to me that's really Bret's coming out, before the push really began. Funny that you say you never saw him as world champ. By the time I started watching he was already IC champ, lost and got it back again but I felt the same way. It was a shock to see him on All American Wrestling with the belt, and I mean that in a good way. Looking back it kind of sucks that Flair never had the belt for very long during that time, as an extended reign could have had major benefits for the WWF. But it was nonetheless exciting there was a new guy to lead the company forward and again looking back I can't think of someone better on that roster to have been the guy than Bret. Athletic, good-looking and was a bonafide veteran of the industry by this time, and above all was already familiar with the WWF audience due to the 8 years he'd been with them.

They weren't inducted as such but weren't Peter Maivia and Rocky Johnson a team at one point? Inducted the same year as the Briscos.

CTPost article Didn't the father of last year's recipient get in some major legal trouble recently? I can see them taking that as a cue as to honor their own, instead of giving it to charity cases they can't vet as deeply as they can their own employees.

Not exactly what I had in mind when I said NYC-centric, but I'll take it. Any WCW acts that never worked for WWE getting in is always a bit of a pleasant surprise. If this class shakes out the way I think it will, theirs will be the only induction I'll have any interest in watching.

Apart from live appearances and just the actual show itself, I don't get the impression he does anywhere near the heavy lifting for the show Conrad does as far as research, apart from maybe re-watching whatever show they cover. It could actually be beneficial to his position in the company, to go over old ground and see how it could possibly fit in the framework of what's going on now.

I think Conrad and JR could have great chemistry. If he truly feels done with Connecticut then this could have the potential to be an explosive program. He doesn't strike me as having the BS quota Prichard and especially Bischoff possesses, so it could be less of a shouting match between the two as weeks go by.

The show is going on, but their remaining live dates are being touted as a farewell tour, make of that what you will. I liked the episode on Jerry Lawler. I found it interesting that Bruce saw the segments between Lawler and Heyman as what should have been for that horrible program he had with Piper. And of course his differing account from Lawler himself about what really happened when he quit.