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Just without the rape, ideally. Or the water with prices that make that Nestle fucker smile. Or bad music (eh...)

I seem to remember Vince defending something (might have been Trish on her fours barking like a dog *douchechills*) to Bill Costas saying that weeks later his character got his comeuppance from that. The Attitude Era's booking ran the risk of doing these highly tasteless things that would turn people off from watching it, who later wouldn't care at all if there was something to counter-balance it from a story-telling point of view. I'm remembering this from memory but there's a pretty funny moment on Prichard's show about the XFL when he talked about the time Stephanie was on camera in the crowd, and everybody around her was chanting "slut! slut! slut!" to her. Bruce was in the production truck, and someone inside was freaking out saying "who is it? get her out of there" thinking there might have been a woman who took a top off or something. Bruce then had to explain to her that they were chanting that to the on-screen persona of who they sent out in the crowd to do a segment for their national broadcast. I say it's funny because I can imagine just how bewildering to someone who wasn't aware of the McMahons something like that would be.

I get the impression that Hogan and Flair at least have known each other since the 80's. They probably ran into each other in St. Louis a lot when Hogan was working for Verne, and Flair said in his book that whenever the NWA and WWF were in the same town or close to it they'd hang out together. He also said (and Hogan backs this up in the doc) that when he signed with Vince one of the first phone calls he got was from Hulk. For whatever reason, Hogan's ego made things hard for the two of them to get along easy in WCW.

Victator, it's funny you bring it up because Rory Karpf also directed the Tim Richmond 30 For 30. I came from a lower/middle-class background and had a father in prison from the time I was 11 until shortly after my 18th birthday. While I know that Ric's kids "had it better" intuitively I can understand a little of whatever pain/frustration they had in having someone be as distant as he was. One revelation from this doc was how much Ric was distant even from his own parents. I really don't remember if any of this was covered in his book or in shoot interviews, just that he was adopted and never bothered to find out who his real folks were. The scene where he talks about showing off his huge house to his father, who had anything but the desired response to it was just heartbreaking.

There's a couple minutes devoted to the dream WrestleMania match in Flair's 30 For 30. Ric seems not to care much that it didn't happen, while Hogan seems to. Since the Sid match was such an abortion anyway who can blame him. Flair and Savage were a better match anyway, just as far as the dynamic between the two and what they could do in the ring.

I actually think Hogan was genuine in his praise. He was specifically asked if Flair was better in the ring, not if he was better all-around.

I watched it which is why I asked. I'm actually uncertain whether that teasing on set was genuine or not. The behind-the-scenes footage was purposely shot for release by the studio to use as promotional material. I came away thinking one of two things happened. One, Lawler and Carrey did it as a work to keep what will happen on film genuine (to the point that the cast and crew think there is genuine heat between the two, which would attract it's own attention) and to play for the cameras of what was to be this behind-the-scenes footage. Or, Carrey just pissed Lawler off not having figured out or bothered to learn the intricacies of pro wrestling that helped make the original feud so hot. Most likely the 2nd part of that is true, but seeing all that posed that question in my mind much more.

I'm a bit behind. Has Bruce talked at all about the "rumors and innuendo" that Jim Carrey and Jerry Lawler were going to do an angle around the time Man On The Moon came out?

That would be a perfect post to end on if you guys really want to lock this thread up.

He looks like a normal human being? That was my takeaway, he came off as a regular guy understandibly still bitter at his dad spending his whole life drinking and whoring instead of being a dad. A lot of the children of addicts have the same look on their faces that David had, the "he's an asshole but he's my dad, whattya going to do" expression. I just meant that he looked exasperated. I could see that in his first wife, and even Ashley to a degree too.

Watched it again. David looks like hell.

I liked it. The revelations for me were more personal since it's otherwise just a Reader's Digest version of his career, which is to be expected because this film is aimed at a wider audience. Hogan saying that he's nowhere near as talented as Ric was a bit of a surprise.

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When Warrior died I thought it'd be funny for that Halloween for some Indy wrestler to take on the gimmick of "Zombie Warrior", he comes out to the music but is at a normal walking pace.

I watched their first MSG match, which was Flair's return to the Garden 15 years after the Pete Sanchez match. Nothing significant as a match beyond that, but the crowd response to him coming out was cool. Lots of Flair/Horseman signs in the crowd which the camera tries but fails to avoid.

What happened with WrestleMania 8, from what I've read and deduced, is that it was always going to be Sid/Hogan. I'd heard that Vince wanted Sid as far back as 1990, and wouldn't have a hard time believing that the WM main event was in his contract either. I don't know if he felt as eager to get Flair, but obviously the circumstances under which he left in 1991 provided Vince the opportunity to subliminally bury his competition because the belt came along with him. My dream-booking scenario is that Flair is kept until WrestleMania 9 where he can have a loser-leaves town match with a returning Hogan. It would make for a much stronger double-main event with Bret/Yoko, and Ric can film segments in casinos looking like he's back in the Horsemen again.

I wonder what Vince makes of this whole Weinstein business. I remember a news item saying WWE was in talks them about maybe partnering up on DVD distributorship. In my head Vince and Harvey were probably rivals when they each were promoting rock concerts in the northeast during the late 70's.

I do think this should stay open, in order for the discussion about his 30 For 30 which will cover a lot of sigh-worthy things I'm sure.

Never understood that. Would have made more sense for the two teams to have eliminated each other by having a brawl on the outside, instead of in such a tepid fashion as that. Jesse and Gorilla don't really sell it much either. One call in the '88 match that still boggles me to this day is who the Conquistadors' manager was. Ventura says early on that each team on the Demolition side had one, and I suspect he just plain forgot about them.

Still contend this is one of the more overrated matches in WWF history. I have watched it on some live watches and at other points in the past couple of years and it doesn't top out at ***1/2 for me. Also, one of the dumbest decisions ever by a manager for Fuji to walk out on Demolition for Powers of Pain. Aye, but there's two big long 20-man tag matches, the Fuji flip was 1988 and the generally better-liked match was 1987. I would agree that neither is on the level of the other matches mentioned so far. And hey, Fuji was regularly portrayed as just plain dumb compared to some of the other managers, so it kind of fit? Both of these matches are my go-to-"Netflix and Chill" on the Network. 87 was the overall better match but 88 has some historic value to it. The Demos/PoP switch at the end with Fuji and it's also the last match the Bulldogs had in the WWF (maybe North America, too?). As far as pay-per-view matches, both would probably be in my personal top ten. They highlighted just how good the tag teams were for a time. I'd go with Warrior/Savage from WM VII. Loss is right in that it might be the best WWF match, as opposed to the best professional wrestling match.

What I hope for is that he backs those words up with action and enters a treatment facility. But yeah I can imagine a brush that close with death would make him realize that.

Until he made that transition, which I'd say was around the time he came back in 2001, he basically went from bad to worse. I still can't enjoy his commentary in the "New Generation" era, because it felt like he was just cutting heel promos all the time instead of announcing. Heenan and Ventura were better at giving their side of the argument, but also very occasionally giving faces their due as well. I started to like him when he came back, because I actually thought at the time that Heyman was worse. He did a good enough job at WrestleMania 17 to make me turn my opinion around on his performance there, but I felt the antagonizing nature of him and JR tended to overwhelm what was going on in front of our eyes which isn't good. I later watched the Heyman doc WWE did and he said it was his idea to make it more entertaining if him and Ross hated each other.

Bobby made most anyone look good, including Gorilla who had his own deficiencies in the broadcast booth. Although I think Ventura was better at working around those, where Heenan could sometimes but not always. I think he gets way too much flak for his time in WCW. It's clear that Bischoff did not know how to produce him in the similar manner which Vince and Bruce Prichard did, so in that regard it is sub-par in comparison. But there were times his talent shone pretty quickly. It wasn't very often, but the three-man booth of Bobby, Tony Schiavone and Dusty were great together. Quite a bit of personal history among the three of them, and there was chemistry that must have gone unnoticed by the people that could have made them the default broadcasting team.