Phil Schneider

Atlantis v. Ultimo Guerrerro was a classic on initial viewing. Got to help his case

Here are some Segunda Caida reviews from 2007 Jimmy Jacobs which was his year. Not sure how much of this is online BJ Whitmer v. Jimmy Jacobs ROH 1/27 I think there is an argument to be made, that, for basically the same guy, current Jimmy Jacobs is better then Eddie Gilbert ever was. Tiny guy with great wrestling mind who was best in crazy brawls. The entire Jimmy loves Lacey angle was truly brilliant, I can't think of a better angle in the last ten years, and it was pretty much all Jacobs. This was part of that saga, as Jacobs tries to get revenge on Whitmer who he blames for disfiguring his love, turning him from Emo to Screamo. Even without the backstory this was a great brawl. Building from chairshots and spikings to insane spears into guardrails and Jacobs flying headfirst into chairs. Both guys spray blood out of their heads, and land wrong on their necks. Weirdest thing about the match is BJ Whitmer doesn't actually do anything that bothers me. Even the BJ Whitmer matches I have liked, there are moments where I go "Fuck this guy." Here he was completely inoffensive and bled and bumped enough not to drag down the Jacobs show. The ending was pretty ass, as that fake Benoit guy from Smackdown with a muscle queen back tattoo comes in and Exploders Whitmer through a table. I forgive it, because this wasn't the end of a feud so you need a reason for these two to keep killing each other, but it dropped the match below your other high end 2007 garbage. Colt Cabana v. Jimmy Jacobs ROH 2/24 This is one of the two blowoffs for the best angle in wrestling in the last decade, one could make an argument for Rey v. Eddie feud, but this was an amazing story executed amazing, while that was kind of stupid story executed amazingly. Cabana does an amazing opening promo which was like a serious Ric Flair promo mixed with a Hyman Roth speech. Jacobs and Lacey are then interviewed by ex Jacobs girlfriend Becky Bayless which added a little creepiness to it. As an aside, what happened to Becky Bayless? She was able to survive being an ECW rat and still have some youthfulness and prettiness in her, but apparently a semester abroad took it all out her, what happened to her in Paris? Did Chiwetel Ejifor cut out a kidney or something? Match just starts amazing with both guys going after each other. Cabana busts open Jacobs with a dusty elbow and he reveals scissors in the elbow pad. They then really have the worlds greatest Tiger Jeet Singh match as they stab the shit out of each other with bunches of cool shit in cool ways. Jacobs breaks Cabana's Chicago flag over his back and stabs him in the face with the jagged wood and then wipes the blood off his face with the flag, which is a great "disrespect your local scene" spot. Also earlier in the match Cabana misses Jacobs and stabs the scissors into the turnbuckle getting them stuck, then about ten minutes later he gets whipped into the corner and is able to pull the scissors out and uses them again, to counter a Jacobs attack it was a really nice piece of match layout. While we were watching this, I said "This is going to be my number one, unless they have Brent Albright run in or something." Moments later in comes shitty HGH belly, tribal tattoo Albright to stink up the match. Whitmer runs in too, and we have shit city briefly, as Whitmer throws Lisa Simpson windmill punches on Albright. The match never really regained its momentum after that, as they moved from a Sheik match to a Sabu match, while the big table senton off a ladder was crazy, it took too long to set up, and didn't have the intensity of the parts that involved stabbing. Jimmy Jacobs v. B.J. Whitmer ROH 3/4 The first third of the year was Jimmy Jacobs time. They had been building his feuds with Whitmer and Cabana for months, and he had been the best character in wrestling for most of 2006. Then they wrap it all up in the first part of 2007 and he gets to absolutely rule it in the ring. I haven't watched the cage match yet, but this was the best of the Jacobs brawls so far. This was a falls count anywhere match, and Jacobs gets thrown through everything in the arena. He goes through chairs, down the bar knocking over drinks, head over heels down stairs. He pretty much touches every part of the arena with his head. Jimmy also does a crazy looking plancha off the balcony. When they get into the ring, they have the great Shiek sections of ever Jacobs brawl, where he stabs Whitmer in the head, and then wipes his face in Whitmers blood, and lays underneath Whitmers bleeding head and yells "BLEED ON ME BJ". It feels less like a move to gross out the fans, then something a legit depressed cutter emo kid would do in a fight. Whitmer was along for the ride, but much like their January match did nothing to irritate me. I would love to see Jacobs in a feud with a top notch brawler like Necro or Homicide, but BJ at least didn't fuck it up. Your finish run was nasty enough to buy it ending the match, but not so nasty that it felt like a feud ender. Man I can't wait to watch that cage match. Jimmy Jacobs v. B.J. Whitmer ROH 3/31 I was anticipating this match as much as any match I can remember, so I was bound to be a little disappointed. Jacobs was spectacular as usual, as he is really the only guy fucking with Cena for the first part of 2007. Much like the Cabana match this started out amazing, but seemed to fall a little flat. The Frye/Takayama spot with the spikes was one of my favorite spots in the history the promotion, just so awesome and violent. Jacobs creepy blood fetish stuff was super too, licking Whitmer's face, combing his hair with the barbed wire bat, stabbing himself with the spike, just gruesome. Plus those fucking tights with one crying eye and one bleeding eye were just off the chain, if it wouldn't effect my burial, I would get that as a tattoo. The senton from the top of the cage is a hell of a way to finish the feud and both guys looked completely destroyed. Still this match had some problems. Having Nick Diaz come from the back with weapons to slide into the cage was terrible, both guys have seconds, they could certainly grab things from the bottom of the ring. You would think if Diaz was going to bring them anything it would be a one hitter so they wouldn't feel pain. This was also the first match of the series where Whitmer was all Whitmerish. He busted out his shitty suplex combinations, and there were parts of the match where it felt like they were doing a "hot indy wrestling 2.9 section." Which is exactly the wrong thing for a match like this. Still in a year with a bunch of spectacular brawls this was right up there with them. And one from 2008 Jimmy Jacobs v. B.J. Whitmer IWA-MS 3/1 This was probably the feud of the year in 2007, and after they wrapped it up in ROH, they moved it over to IWA. I think this was the best of their matches, as this was Whitmer being the least Whitmerish. No real goofball fake Akiyama shit, no 2.9ish wrestling, just taking a beating and giving one. Jacobs was the face here, which differentiates it from the ROH feud, I don't really understand the booking, as Jacobs threw the title in the trash, but Fanin was the heel who couldn't let go of the faces betrayal. It works better as a match, Jacobs is a great heel, but he is also a great sympathetic babyface, while Whitmer is a wholly unappealing guy, which makes it difficult to buy him as a babyface. As a greasy faced scumbag gun for hire, he works fine. The short hair is a good look for Whitmer, he kind of looks like a small time Irish mob legbreaker, instead of a long haired Dark Star Orchestra roadie. I loved the restart, with Fanin refusing to let the ref stop it, when Jacobs was destroyed in the corner. You also have to love the Sullivan spike as a babyface move, and the Frye/Takayama double spike spot is spectacular. Plus fuck what an ending, if a homemade vasectomy can't cause a guy to quit, then nothing will.

I though Jake and Dustin had a great WCWSN match in 1992 too

May seem crazy initial, but I actually think he has a decent case for your indy era guys. Has had a pretty long a varied career with some good workrate tags and singles in ROH. Of course his bread and butter is as a brawler, and he is the best gimmick match brawler in . the last 15 or so years, tons of great I Quit, dog collar and cage matches, and really compelling character work and angles. I think if he had the same output in a territory rather then in the indies he would be a no brainer

I made an offhand throw away jimmy Jacobs comment, but I actually think he is an interesting candidate

Commentary says from the amphitheater but the wrestling classics guys say it is the wrigly match

With all of this new Chicago footage, Verne Gagne probably needs a thread

He definitely has a footage issue, I imagine if more Omni and Mid-South Coliseum stuff was available he would be a top 20 guy, but there are a really paucity of on tape EPIC Rich matches.

He has a fair number of on tape classics, there are probably as many great Embry matches as great Tommy Rich matches on tape . Definitely a guy who is hurt by 90's MSC matches not making tape, but I can see an argument for sure

This is from Wrigley Field and was uploaded in glorious quality by the Chicago Film Archives, I am pretty sure this was unavailable before this week, and it is a treat. Really simple but effective matwork starts the match out, both guys really no how to make a headlock grind. Really picked up when the got on their feet, I love the way Rogers runs the ropes, he really looks completely out of control and make as rope running exchange look like a highspot. Rogers is also an athletic bumper in the Hennig, Michaels vein and he takes a couple of violent spills out of the ring, and the finish of the third fall is a loony Foley ear loss hangman where he gets counted out. I also loved when he got nasty, throwing some sick uppercuts and a snap piledriver. Thesz was more subdued, clearly the grandfather of the Briscoes and Dory Funk Jr., I did love when he got chippy too, he caught Rogers with a huge kneelift which was probably the highlight of the match. I liked they did 3 falls in about 35 minutes, didn't drag, kept a nice pace and it felt like a big deal. Really great piece of history and a hell of match

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I did 50 Brazo De Oro El Brazo Brazo De Plata Arkangel De La Muete Villano 3 Villano 4 Villano 5 Black Terry Dr. Cerebro Negro Navarro El Signo El Texano Super Astro Solar Ultraman Shu El Guerrero Virus Negro Casas Felino El Hijo Del Santo El Dandy Mascara Ano 2000 Universo 2000 Perro Aguyayo Bestia Salvaje Scorpio Jr. Emilio Charles Jr. Mil Mascaras L.A. Park Rey Mysterio Jr. Psicosis Fuerza Guerrera Juventud Guerrera Blue Panther Atlantis Lizmark Satanico MS1 Sangre Chicana Pirata Morgan Perro Aguayo Jr. Jerry Estrada Babyface La Fiera Shocker Rush Pimpinela Escarlata Cassandro Mano Negra El Apache

Yeah Wagner is fun, but I could probably name 100 luchadores which belong on the list before him

A bunch more dropped last week with the Chicago Film Archives too

He wasn't the best wrestler in the world in 2013 or 2014 so I don't see the again.

When we redo this in 10 years, he will hopefully have a spot. Can't justify putting him on for his output so far. Sort of how I feel about Ambrose too

I love Tenryu, I think he might be my highest ranked All Japan wrestler. One underated thing about him was how great he was working as Flair against Mike Jackson matches, he totally can make you believe that a guy like Anjo or Aoyagi is going to pull off the upset

Terry Rudge Bunch of reviews here http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/19591-terry-rudge/

I just need more Bock footage to put him #1, I love a lot of it, but he doesn't have the footage resume for me.

Kind of the ultimate 90's nostalgia bubble guy. I watched all of his New Japan and UWF1 and 2 80's stuff and he was bad more then he was good. There are some highlights, but a lot of lowlights, and I hated his Juniors stuff. He had his moments, especially against Fujiwara, but shouldn't by anywhere near a top 100

Interesting case, he is a real hit or miss guy. His best stuff was out of this world great, but he also would just snooze his way through matches too. I am going to have him below Fujiwara obviously but I think he is my second ranked UWF worker. I am not sure where he ranks vs. the BattlArts guys, I think I am going to need to revisit his RINGS stuff, is there any RINGS classics I need to watch?

This was pretty bad, I had liked other Cholak and Wright matches I have seen, but they didn't do much here, and what they did wasn't very good

Loss, you should start threads for all of these matches in the 50's folder, I imagine there are some gems in there

I think Necro is awesome as a special attraction out of control guy. He is better then Sabu at all the things Sabu does well, and has a more varied toolbox. Unfortunately a lot of his great stuff isn't online, we need someone to upload all of the Brodie Lee/Necro JAPW tags which were awesome moondogs style brawls.

Necro Butcher American Dragon Brian Danielson/Samoa Joe/B.J. Whitmer/Adam Pearce/Ace Steele/Homicide v. Nate Webb/Chris Hero/Claudio Castognoli/Necro Butcher/Eddie Kingston ROH 7/15/06 Necro Butcher v. Super Dragon PWG 9/2/06 Low-Ki v. Necro Butcher 12/16/06