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For me, it's not about seeing it, it's about hearing it. That's not at all what it sounds like when an actual punch, kick, knee or elbow lands, so it's like being reminded--loudly-- that every strike is fake. It's maybe the only thing that annoys me about Hero, who doesn't need such a cheap gimmick to highlight his awesome-looking strikes. He made a point of idolizing Misawa. Did Misawa ever slap his thigh on a fucking elbow? No sir. It's so prevalent on the indies now that I've had to train myself not to hate it, lest I be miserable all the time.

I don't have much to add but it was my No. 4 match of 2000 and No. 26 match overall in the Ditch 2000s project.

I've never liked Tenzan, so I enjoyed watching Benoit beat the piss out of him. The crowd seemed entirely on board with the idea of Benoit as a heavy, and it would have been interesting to see him have a more extended run against the top guys in the company. I understand why Tenzan won, but it didn't feel earned.

This was okay. Ohtani was the best thing in it by far and still looked like one of the best wrestlers in the world. Both his offense and ability to engage the crowd were on a different level. Neither Kashin nor Tanaka brought a lot to the table, though their stereo flying armbreaker spot looked pretty cool. Hard for this to stand out on a stacked card, and it didn't.

Show looked pretty lean here and I'm not sure why he felt the need to wrestle in a t-shirt. This was probably Hunter's athletic peak and watching him move around the ring highlights what a mistake it was for him to add so much bulk later on. Match was solid but it certainly didn't feel worthy of a title change. If anything, the celebration with Steph and DX felt bigger than the wrestling.

Two walk-through-the-crowd segments in an 18-minute match? That's pretty close to an automatic disqualifier for me. The second one was particularly puzzling because it took all the starch out of what had become a fairly compelling match. And they never got it back. Mita and Shimoda delivered a fine bully performance, but it's hard for me to give much praise to a match so devoid of dramatic tension.

This was really good for what was essentially a student match. Yes, Kendrick had the more developed persona, but you could see the roots of what Danielson would become in the crispness with which he did basic moves--from chops to forearms to clotheslines to suplexes. He did not look like an 18-year-old kid who'd been training for less than a year. One of the smartest of many nifty things about this project is the focus on tracking WOTD contenders from their origins.

I was thinking I'd submit a ballot. But then I went and looked at the nominees and couldn't find anywhere close to 50 I wanted to vote for. Anyone else have that problem? I'm hampered by not having followed ROH closely in recent years.

Yeah, there's a lot of truth in that. I just don't know how you end up with Cena, who's still obviously the biggest star in the company, working a mixed tag with three people who aren't anywhere near his level. Or Styles, who could lock down the Savage/HBK "great match" role for the next three or four years, potentially working Shane. I don't know who that shit is for. Obviously, they get away with it because Mania is so huge that we all watch anyway. But it's a bummer.

What do you think about it relative to last year? Last year was a dreadful show, so I was hoping for better. I guess this card might be a little better, but you would think for all the talent they control, they could come up with one legitimately exciting match.

The card as of now makes me sad. It's very possible you come out of that thing without a single great match.

I'd be fine with them consolidating HHH and Shane into one shitfest.

I thought the 10/75 match that Bix posted all those years ago was their standout 70s match? It was certainly my gateway drug into WoS. You may well be right as I haven't watched them in awhile. I just remember them as a series that kept on giving rather than hitting an obvious crescendo. Actually, I wish Saint-Grey from Jan. 1980 had happened a month earlier, because then that would have been my '70s pick.

I don't know. I get what you're saying, but I wouldn't be excited about either of those as a featured match at Mania. Of the two, I'd prefer Cena-Corbin because at least that could have a greater point.

The 1985 match is definitely clipped. The video highlight package that goes with it features action that isn't in the match as broadcast. I still voted it No. 1 on the Memphis set, and it's on a short list of the greatest matches I've ever seen. But the clip is frustrating.

Do a lot of people have problems with you expressing opinions on WWE? That seems odd. I will say that if I know a poster's likes/dislikes/viewing history, I consider that when weighing his/her opinion on a question like this. I know Jimmy is a WWE lover first so I'm not surprised to see her pick Cena-Umaga. Doesn't in any way invalidate her opinion but it shapes my understanding of it.

I think that a lot of this feels more like 'best' match ever, and a lot less like 'greatest'. I don't think that's a relevant distinction for most people.

Is this the first all-heel ending in Rumble history?

So Orton really is going to win huh?

Oh they're trolling the crowd again.

Who's 30? Joe?

This is a nitpick but why have all the refs at ringside if they don't even try to keep Jericho in the ring? That aside, very fun early Rumble.

My god, they broke the sour Frenchman

I agree with all the PWG Cena criticisms, and yet I still enjoy watching those two. Can't help myself.

I know we say it time after time but AJ is so fucking good.