Everything posted by sek69
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The Paul London Thread
They taped the explosion the night before, but I'm pretty sure Vince's walk of doom was done live. Also I think the junkie comment is in regards to his obvious love of herbals. Of course junkie isn't the correct term, but what the hey.
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Wrestlemania
Austin is supposedly in shape for a movie he is doing, so that wouldn't be an issue as much as him not being active in wrestling for so long. It seems that they were seeding the idea of Lawler vs Jericho from the way he was so disgusted at Piper getting beat up on RAW. It wouldn't have the celebrity rub that they wanted from Rourke, but it would be a much better match (assuming they don't make Lawler work "WWE Legend style" where they get pummeled by a youngster until getting a fluke win). I think they (as usual) stumbled into something great with the HHH/Orton angle, since just as no one bought the HBK/JBL storyline because it was too ridiculous to be true, here you have something based in reality. Looking back, you can see how they sort of were planning for this angle for a while, Steph hasn't been physically involved since coming back and they always are doing something to subtly remind folks she's a mom now. Of course everyone knew of the marriage for a while, but when Steph gets laid out by a heel, suddenly there's a real sense of "oh shit, he just nailed the mother of HHH's kids". Also I think you have to give credit to HHH for not going overboard with this. His mugging as a face sometimes gets annoying to the point of distraction, but he's playing this perfectly as a guy who just watched his wife get attacked. The sitdown with JR on Smackdown (do those ever fail to get people/angles over?) where he was too mad to even speak was a thing of awesomeness.
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Verne Gagne Linked To Man's Death
People with dementia/Alzheimer's frequently revert to their previous careers when the disease progresses. My mom worked at a nursing home with an Alzheimer's patient who was a former heavyweight boxer. Despite the fact he was an old man, he still KO'd a few nurses' aides before my mom realized in his mind he was back in the boxing ring. She talked to him like she was his corner man and that's how she was able to put him to bed. Most likely Verne and the other guy had a disagreement and Verne's mind went back to his wrestling days and did what he was trained to do when faced with someone trying to "shoot" on you.
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Comments that don't warrant a thread
Lots of regular sexualy snide asides were also aimed at Ross. Heyman, and Cornette as being homosexuals on commentary as well. I'm trying to remember which face Flair always talked about as having hard time swallowing his nut. When has JR ever been called gay on commentary? Let's not forget Gorilla's constant mention of the Terry Garvin School of Self-Defense.
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Wrestlemania
There was that moment at the Rumble (I think) where HBL was having one of his Personal Moments of Reflection after getting berated by JBL, only to turn around and have Taker behind him. Seemed like that was a "we'll refer to this later if we decide to run an angle" kind of deal.
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The Paul London Thread
I wonder if he was the guy Dave kept doing blind teases about when he kept mentioning someone in WWE had like a billion Wellness fines for smoking weed and it ended up making them tighten the policy since it would make the company look bad to have someone come up positive so many times.
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The Jim Ross Is A Grouchy Hateful Vile Human Being thread
I'm surprised he didn't just say A-Rod was putting smiles on people's faces.
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Should we feel bad for Christian?
No, it seems the script went as planned and people were just seeing something that wasn't there. Hell, in DVDVR People were joking about how obvious it was Matt was going heel a couple of months ago. Now that it happened, people are just kind of upset that the scenario they booked in their head, didn't match up with the scenario WWE booked in reality. I'm not saying Dave made shit up, I'm saying he either just got it wrong this particular time, got worked, or just jumped the gun a bit. Fact is, there was nothing that really pointed in Christian's direction, everything leads to Matt Hardy and it has since November, and people were even calling it as early as November. Grimmas: The Survivor Series spot was botched I admit, but I think that it could easily be seen as Matt attacking a guy, who tortued him weeks before the S. Series, and then beat him that night. Or in short it was a fuck up by creative, which happens in almost every storyline in the company. Honestly dude, it seems like you're the one trying to convince yourself that this was the plan all along and not example #70989081901 of Vince/WWE changing direction midstream for some dumbass reason. Anything that could potentially prove you wrong is a "botch" or creative fucking up I guess. The number one thing I can point to that makes Matt being the guy from the start seem wrong is how despite him being cheered while being jobbed out prior to his ECW push, his first promo after turning heel was how the fans never liked him as much as Jeff or whatnot which is so amazingly dumb you can't possibly believe it wasn't something thought up minutes before the show. Does anyone really buy Matt as a heel wronged by the fans when he was getting pretty loud reactions even when it was clear they had no interest in pushing him?
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Should we feel bad for Christian?
It seems pretty clear that they just flipped the script when they felt too many people knew what was going on since Christian is now in the exact same role Matt was in prior to his heel turn. Also, why do people think Dave just thinks these things up himself and isn't being told things by his connections in the company. I really don't see how this can be deemed as someone's overactive imagination when it seems pretty clear they just swapped them out.
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Should we feel bad for Christian?
Because the whole "mystery attacker" angle really started ramping up around the time that Christian's TNA deal expired, and that Dave was told that Matt was put into the role at the last minute because Vince was pissed everyone already guessed it was going to be Christian revealed as the attacker. See also the "We Want Christian" chants at the Rumble, I don't think everyone in the arena was a WON subscriber.
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Should we feel bad for Christian?
Considering MyNetworkTV just basically went tits up, it might have been the smart move putting him on the brand who's show airs on the more stable network.
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Greatest Stars of the 90's
I doubt a Savage DVD ever sees the light of day, but they've never shown any reluctance to include individual matches of his on other sets. It seems as if every year someone tries to slip a Savage set past Vince, and every year they get closer to pulling it off, but he always catches it at the last minute. I have this mental image of Ricky Steamboat trying to engage Vince in conversation while the DVD guys feverishly rush to have like Shane or someone approve the set instead.
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Jericho altercation with fan
Fans acting stupid, piss poor security who stood there like they were watching a wrestling angle, leading to bodies flying and some broad getting punched in the face. Most wrestlers, and I'd wager anyone who was trained in the Dungeon, follow the rule of anyone who lays their hands on you gets knocked the F out. You know people (especially the chick who got punched) are going to try to sue Jericho, but he was put in a bad spot and basically had to defend himself from a mob.
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"He's ambitiously stupid" - Why Scott Keith's new book is scary bad
Scooter playing the "too cool for school" card in regards to current wrestling while reviewing pretty much everything on WWE 24/7 is being slept on big time. I don't know if he's the origin of the "all wrestling sucks except for the stuff I watched growing up" meme, but he's certainly one of the biggest perpetrators of it.
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Comments that don't warrant a thread
Not only was Lex pushed as someone the fans would think is the next world champion but never won the big one, when they finally did put the belt on him it was at Bash 1991 which was guaranteed to turn any remaining fans against him. I often felt that was kind of a set up on Lex, they had to know the crowd was going to take a giant shit on whatever they tried to do so why risk killing a guy who still had a chance to be a top player? It truly was a no-win battle, but only WCW could find a way to make it even worse. Also it's hilarious that history is starting to look at Flair's booking a little more honestly. It wasn't that long ago that mentioning him as anything other than the valiant White Knight fighting a heroic (yet ultimately losing) battle against the scourge of Dusty would get you a savage tongue lashing on the interwebs.
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Ridiculous quotes from WO.com columnists
This guy manages to kill 2 birds with one stone by not only being an awful WO.com columnist but also being an awful SKeith wannabe.
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Comments that don't warrant a thread
If for some reason Jeff Hardy left WWE today, you can damn well guarantee ROH would ask him to make an appearance at least. Also, it's hilarious that ROH fans are now turning on Adam Pearce's booking because he wanted to tone down all the ridiculousness that ROH tends to get made fun of over.
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Comments that don't warrant a thread
I wonder what kind of reaction Jeff Hardy would get if he showed up at a ROH show today.
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The Wrestler
Conversely, it could be said that the movie could be seen as an extreme version of a washed up 80s wrestler because not too many 80s wrestlers got the chance to live long enough to end up like Randy.
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The Wrestler
None of what you list could be determed a "mistake" though. I know as far as "How would a fading 80s relic get booked in all the Northeastern smark federations" goes, the scenes with Randy doing hardcore matches reminded me a lot of Terry Funk in ECW. Also Randy's big historical match was told as being in 1989 and there's a lot of guys from that time period puttering around on the indies now. What strikes me the most is that of all the wrestlers who've posted their reviews on the internet so far, the only thing most of them take issue with is the open drug dealing, which seemed to be more of the director showing the audience that drug use is common rather than something intended to be an accurate portrayal of the wrestling drug scene.
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Comments that don't warrant a thread
That's who it was widely reported to be at the time, so I guess she pretty much confirmed it.
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"He's ambitiously stupid" - Why Scott Keith's new book is scary bad
His review of the 9/12/87 Boston house show has some classic SKeith misinformation, as he states the Hercules-Davey Boy match was due to Dynamite Kid no-showing for reasons unknown and robbed the world of a Harts-Bulldogs match since they ended up defending the tag belts against the unlikely duo of Sika and Mr. Fuji. Of course none of that is remotely true, since Dynamite was dealing with the back injury at that time and a five minute search on Graham Cawthon's site informs you that Mr. Fuji was subbing for Kamala that night. What's especially sloppy about that is A. Scooter's a fan of all things Hart and or Stampede related so surely he knew why Dynamite wasn't there and B. He's pimped Graham's site before so he's clearly aware of it's existence and how simple it would have been to find out who Fuji was subbing for (as I did when I was watching and wondered who was supposed to be in that match).
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WON Year-End Awards archive
Not disagreeing with you in theory, but there was a pretty big gap between realizing that WCW was going to be run by a bunch of Turner corporate fuckups and WWF/E turning into something more in line with the style Dave likes. I'd wager he wasn't a real fan of their PRODUCT~! until around 2000-2001 since he certainly wasn't a fan of the early 90s cartoon era or of anything Russo is, was, or ever would be involved in.
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WON Year-End Awards archive
Half of the "Most Disgusting Promotional Tactic" winners were just stupid booking ideas and not disgusting by any definition. The only reason the Pacman Jones thing won last year is because Dave was OFFENDED~! at all of it since the guy paralyzed in the shooting was a former job guy and therefore TNA was disrespecting THA BIZ by hiring him. After reading the WON for the last 2 years it seems that Dave makes it clear what he expects to win all the awards, and for the most part they do. I guess it comes from being around wrestling for so long, but it's funny to see Dave doing a little "audience education" of his own. I've still never come up with a decent explanation of his Backlund hate boner other than Dave just didn't like his style of wrestling (ironically he would love someone doing the All-American shooter gimmick now) and also the impression I get that he really thinks Backlund is shoot retarded. Also having Hogan as Most Overrated in 85 and 86 really show the anti WWF bias he and other smart fans had until sometime in the late 80s early 90s. I guess it was around the time Turner bought out JCP that it was time to admit their beloved NWA wasn't going to win the war and it was time to accept the WWF style. The WONs Loss posts seem to bear that out, as you can tell Meltzer barely hiding his disgust as he details the bungling going on behind the scenes.
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WWE 24/7 July-September 2007 Thread
Not really. I mean, Mick can be nailing every porn star he comes across and it wouldn't make the top 100 scummiest things ever done by a wrestler, it's just that some people tend to get bent out of shape over things like that more than others is all. I totally expected SLL or someone to be cutting and pasting something from DVDVR where people were angry about it or something.