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I thought that was scripted, and Hebner goofed by giving the belt to Warrior first, causing them to cut to the crowd while they gave it to Hogan so he could do the symbolic passing of the torch by handing Warrior the belt.

In keeping with the theme of top ten lists: 1. Had the nWo angle re-directed as his personal career revitalizer. 2. Refused to pass the torch to Bret in 1993. 3. Kept Randy Savage stuck on the B shows because he was constantly stealing the show. 4. Would veto storylines in WCW at the last possible moment and leave the bookers and writers scrambling to appease his demands. 5. Dug up anyone who he ever did a job to so he could get his win back. 6. Took part in the Fingerpoke of Doom. 7. Immediately got all his talent-deprived friends jobs when he landed in WCW. 8. Had anyone who disagreed with him marginalized. 9. Spent a year building up the program with Sting, only to not put him over cleanly at the end. 10. Kept dragging Ed Leslie around to every new territory.

Well we're all going to have to agree to disagree I guess. I hate to cop out on an argument, but this kind of discussion has the potential to be more heated than a political debate. Bret vs HBK > Liberals vs Conservatives.

Of all the jobs Shawn refused, I never heard him say he wouldn't job because the HBK character was a national hero. I don't recall any of Shawn's refusals coming right before his contract with a competitor was about to start either. Also, wasn't Shawn fired over one of his refusals over jobbing the IC title? He was hired back obviously, but it shows he wasn't unpunished either.

I just hope there'll be a day where signing with a company that wants you to become a completely different person (even if they trained you) will no longer be seen as a big break.

Interesting.... WWE must be puzzled someone told them to cram it when asked to completely change his look and style after they were impressed enough to sign him. Hopefully he'll be back in TNA so he can help kick off the Spike TV show.

Self serving thread kick out of curiousity if anything happend with this.

Wrestlemania III Ricky Steamboat vs Randy Savage Hulk Hogan vs Andre the Giant (sucked wrestling wise but one of the biggest main events in WWF/E history)

It was supposed to be Hogan's last match as champion and probably as a main event guy, which in Hogan's mind might as well have been his last match. I mean, I don't have "HBK blinders", I just don't have this endless love most of the internet community has for Bret. Even in the version of the story that supports Bret the most, he still comes off as incredibly markish. News Flash: Wrestling is a scummy business run by scummy people, and sometmes they do scummy things. I hate to come off as rude here but this is hardly the first time someone loyal got boned for someone who slacked off, either in wrestling or in life. The more Bret (and his fans) complained about it, the more he made himself sound he fell off the turnip truck. News Flash II: Vince is an asshole. There was certainly mounds of evidence before Montreal happened, and there's been lots since. It shouldn't be a shock when an asshole enacts some assholery on you.

I just dig TNA because they seem to be able to mix the old school territory flavor with today's SPORTZ ENTERTAINMENT~! style so that every show usually has something that will please everyone. You're likely to get a good techinical match, a spotfest, a brawl between hosses, and then some goodness like a AMW tag match that cribs all the good parts of the classic NWA style. If TNA was smart (which sometimes is a stretch), they would play up their NWA heritage while still providing a current product. You never know, they might lure a couple of those NWA/WCW marks who stopped watching wrestling when WCW ceased to exist. Results for the PPV are found here . It seems the show pretty much delivered where you'd expect it to. I agree with the author of the review, they really gotta stop with the "watch out or you'll get fired to make room for ex WWE guys" stuff. Nothing screams bush league more than making it seem your company's happy to take the other guy's rejects.

Its funny that Bret "losing" to the Sharpshooter was mentioned, considering when Vince put Hogan out to pasture in 1993 he had him job to Yokozuna via a legdrop. If Vince did that to the biggest draw his company ever had (to that point), why would Bret think he'd be any different?

What kills me is the whole Montreal situation boils down to Bret not wanting to lose what's essentially a prop (the belt) in a worked match to a guy who he was in a program with despite having a personal beef. Everyone was painted in a corner with this: Bret offered to job to anyone from Taker to the beer vendor but losing to anyone but the guy he had a program with would have came off as a fluke win which would have cheapened the title. Vince screwed himself by offering Bret a contract he couldn't follow on, and Bisch was so into his head at that point that Vince probably checked his toilet before taking a shit to make sure WCW didn't have a camera inside capturing footage for Nitro. Shawn did himself in by letting his personal beef with Bret make him say things that would make it so the whole locker room would never believe him even if he honestly didn't have anything to do with the double cross. The scummiest one of the whole story is Hebner, really. Dude swore on the life of his fucking kids when he knew damn well shit was going to go down. But I can't help but think everyone ended up getting what they wanted out of the deal... Vince became one of the biggest heel characters in wrestling history, Bret got his fat contract (WCW botching his career afterwards nonwithstanding), and HBK got to be the top dog until his back exploded. They couldn't have done better if it was written that way....

I call bullshit. The sports page here always has letters on how big an asshole he is on his radio show. I guess you could say he's over as a heel here, but I give you the Sek 100% guarantee that he's been told "fuck you" more than once. I always wondered how they got along, considering Hunter seems to be such a mark for old school territory style wrestling and Steph......isn't. The thought of Hunter having to sit there and listen to all her stupid ass soap opera angles while he grits his teeth to nubs makes me LOL.

It's a vicious cycle, WWE keeps mentioning it because it riles up the Canadians, and it riles up the Canadians because WWE won't stop mentioning it.

My understanding is that there was a rift between Michaels and Jannetty when Shawn cleaned up and found Jeebus and Marty was (is still, apparently) drinking and drugging.

Its funny, HBK had a lot of people convinced that he turned over a new leaf since he's been back, and all he had to do was shit on Bret and everyone suddenly realizes Shawn's still a dick. Hogan's comments are another reason I'd never want to get involved with wrestling. Still pissed over WWF wanting him to pass the torch in 1993? Jesus Christ, of all the grade school infantile shit, that has to take the cake. How do guys like Benoit and Jericho feel, knowing that the Hart family trained them to become what they are today and the company they work for was close to releasing a DVD completely burying its most famous member?

Its hilarious that they can't understand Pittsburgh is a fairly smart wrestling town. They always try to get us to boo Kurt Angle and this time it ended up turning Eugene heel for the night (and Hogan too since he attacked Angle).

Is Heyman that good he can get that many people in a development fed to convincingly act like everything was real? That's the only part that leads me to think something went amiss. Maybe Matt bladed too deep, or got busted legit with the chairshot, it just seems like something was not according to plan.

Most of Heyman's worked shoots were promo form. The only time I can remember a worked shoot in ECW was the whole Benoit breaking Sabu's neck deal, which was more of them making lemonade from lemons, since it was a real fuckup they they were able to use to get Benoit over as the Crippler.

Interesting tidbit on the OVW tapings, where Johnny Jeter turned heel on his partner Matt Capotelli (who has a legit broken leg). Heyman usually isn't a worked shoot kind of guy, so I'm thinking this might have been a chairshot gone wrong. Either way, I hope one of our collectors can track this down when it becomes available.

Bill Watts: His story's sad to think about, he went from having shows in the Superdome to selling Amway products for Jesus. It wasn't even his fault his company went bust either, the area he promoted in had an economic disaster and suddenly everything went poof. Watts was probably the best motivator in wrestling. It's amazing seeing guys that did jack shit in every other promotion suddenly tearing shit up for Watts. Guys like Rick Steiner, One Man Gang, Jim Duggan all showed why the Big Two were so quick to snap them up. Fritz Von Erich: I think saying he had one angle and drove it into the ground kind of sells him short. All his feuds involved his sons, yeah, but the Von Erichs-Freebirds stuff was pretty early in the territory's run. The Kevin/Kerry vs Chris Adams/Gino Hernandez matches were pretty good, and I dug the feud that Kevin had with Al Perez over the WCCW title. It's also worth mentioning that he was doing stuff like music videos before Vince was. Jerry Lawler: You know, they really missed the boat with the Lawler Hates ECW angle by not mentioning that Lawler was doing "hardcore" about 20 years before Paul Heyman bounced his first check. The only real knock I have against him is that he always had to be the champion wherever he goes. It's kind of ridiculous to look at the title history of the USWA and see Lawler winning and losing the belt 30 times, sometimes every week. Dutch Mantell: He does a good job keeping up the traditions of Memphis style, but he wears out his welcome too fast to make a long lasting impact. Jim Cornette: Probably one of the most brilliant wrestling minds alive today. I'd say it was mind boggling how he was marginalized by the WWE, but it really isn't. Only they would put him in a position to fail rather than tap into some of his vast knowledge and love of the business.

I was....12 years ago, but thanks for playing.