JerryvonKramer

The WWF picks former NWA World Champion Jack Brisco.

Damn, I wanted Patterson / Stevens. That was who I had in mind.

Are you all communists? I thought this was meant to be Ameri ... I mean yeah, great, spirit of cooperation!!

Kris what an out Dusty / Murdoch example

Has anyone else had to sit through a thirty three pick gap, I'll be picking SD Jones at the way things are going,

Quite a few of the guys I had earmarked have started to go now. Adonis just the latest one. My upper midcard is thinning with every pick.

The WWF and Mid-South wrestling are happy to announce a loan deal involving Bob Backlund and Don Muraco.

Agreed as long as next pick is forfeit.

Jimmy, are the bolded matches you recommended before in the 4.75-5 star range in your view? I'd rather watch absolute top end Cena first just to see if it's even worth me continuing. I haven't exactly been low on him so far.

Pasting over reviews from this thread: http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/20910-jaaawn-cena/ Still don't know why we have two Cena threads. I have to watch an hour long fucking Don Muraco match later on for Titans. I might have to watch that 81 footage in spurts and think I might review Cena matches in the interim.

I'm now wondering if you've had exactly the same idea as I've had.

Hateful

Spiteful negotiations here, I'd offered him a much better deal.

It's actually about neither Grand Wizard nor David Von Erich, it's just about the principle of knowing death dates set in stone when no promoter in July 1983 could have possibly known. It changes a lot of parameters if you know someone has only a few months to live. It's fine, I'll get over it. Will have to keep a blind eye / bite my lip to that aspect of this. Although since it has been established, a list of other upcoming deaths would be handy.

I don't know if it is a "game", or a "simulation" or a "shared creative experience" or whatever you call it, knowing advance information such as a death and planning towards it is strange and unlike anything I've seen in other things like this. But it is what it is, let's move on.

We should probably have a list of upcoming deaths so people still on the draft can know about them and plan accordingly.

I don't like the idea of planning eight months towards someone's death which a promotor couldn't possibly have known about. It's completely game altering to have that information. It's fine I'll carry on, but this aspect of the game is something I've gone on record to oppose.

I would accept removing guys who are about to die (Grand Wizard, David von Erich, anyone else I'm forgotting?) from the game world and giving dedhemingway another pick. I don't accept drafting Grand Wizard knowing for 100% sure that he dies on October 12th 1983. It's retarded.

I'm pretty particular about little things like this, they can make or break things for me. Will wait for final say, but I probably feel strongly enough that I would hand WWF over to someone else if the Death rule stands. I remember I was a year into a career on Football Manager once and found out that my German players weren't going to internationals properly because I'd forgotten to fix the "fake" German national team thing that is in there for copywright reasons. Couldn't play on because something in the game world was off. If everyone else feels strongly the other way, it's cool with me. But I don't think I can play in a setting where we already know the death dates of everyone involved. Makes no sense to me as a gamer or as someone who has played RPGs and things like that. Breaks immersion / realism idea and it's enough that I'd leave it.

I'm completely against the idea that someone could draft The Grand Wizard and then plan for his eventual death in October. a) it's not in very good taste and b )they couln't possibly know he was about to die. Pushes are things bookers have control over. Making someone a star knowing that they are called Bret Hart can be justified by "spotting potential and talent". Knowing a guy will have a heart attack in three months is in a completely different ball park. It's nonsense.

If people have some weird moral qualms about being "morbid", then I say take out those guys who are about to die. As things stand, it's completely unrealistic and breaks any sense of immersion in this for me.

All I'm saying is that currently "Death on Time" is winning and a harcoded "David von Erich dies on February 10, 1984" is completely weird to my way of thinking. Contingency can change a lot of things. Just think saying "Grand Wizard 100% definitely has a heart attack on THIS day" is bizarre and gives everyone the power of being an oracle.

More really because you could argue that, say in the case of the Roadies, their look and so on would mean that a promoter could spot the potential. Whereas in the cases of the deaths surely no one saw them coming, especially in the cases of David Von Erich and the Grand Wizard who were working literally a week or so before they happened. No one in July 1983 knew that Grand Wizard would die in a few months. This not only affects the relative value of certain people, but it also defies any sense of realism we might be going for.

How are we going to roleplay the fact that everyone can see into the future and knows when people will die? Seems strange to me.