NintendoLogic
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This has to be a first-a Regal match that I like a lot more than the rest of PWO. In fact, I thought it was a borderline MOTYC. I didn't think it dragged all. I thought it was paced perfectly, with Regal controlling most of the way and Sting having periodic flurries only to get repeatedly cut off. And Sting's comeback wasn't out of the blue. It came after Regal slapped him. Not only was it a callback to Regal slapping him at the beginning of the feud, it's as good a reason as any to unload a can of whoop-ass on a guy. In the immortal words of Charlie Murphy, you don't slap a man.
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I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who considers Kobashi/Akiyama the All Japan MOTY.
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The "blinded by the medals" argument is bullshit because it's impossible to falsify. How is someone who voted for Angle to go in the HOF supposed to prove that he isn't an insecure carny seeking legitimacy?
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When exactly did the automatic rematch clause come into effect? I don't remember it being a thing until about a decade ago. More importantly, does anyone actually think it's a good idea? Kazuchika Okada never would've gotten off the ground in 2012 if Tanahashi had gotten an immediate rematch and won the belt right back from him.
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Dave has some weird views on Japanese wrestling. Here's what he had to say about guys kicking out of finishers at one: Of course, it all comes back to Brody. For what it's worth, it's not my favorite thing in the world, but it does work when it's done well. But Dave's argument is completely nutty. Just how stupid does he think Japanese fans are? Does he really think they thought, even for a second, that Ibushi was shooting on Nakamura when he kicked out of the Boma Ye at one? Plus, his explanation sounds suspiciously similar to Vince Russo's booking philosophy.
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I don't think too many people here would dispute that Flair was the greatest NWA champion of all time. The question is whether that translates to greatest wrestler of all time, especially if you consider the NWA touring champ style to be deeply flawed.
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Which is why I said "all other things being equal." Savage/Steamboat is a workrate match, and it's awesome. And 90s All Japan had workrate and cool moves by the boatload, and that's as good as wrestling gets.
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The original plan for the Rey/Punk feud was for Rey's kids to turn on him like in the Raven/Sandman feud, but that got nixed because it was seen as not kid-friendly. It should be noted, though, that there were plenty of restrictions on heels in the old days too. Here's Dave after Finlay got fired for giving Miz the green light to interrupt the national anthem at a house show:
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I had been thinking that 1982 was a good dark horse pic for Flair's best year, and that list would seem to confirm it. i'd rank the first Kerry match and the second Sawyer match among his very best, the Jumbo match is also quite good, and the Lawler match is a great angle disguised as a match. I have no idea if the Colon match is any good. I'll watch it tonight.
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The old RSPW FAQ defined workrate as the ratio of action to inaction (i.e., restholds) in a match. I think that's as good a definition as any. And it's not the end-all be-all, but of course it matters. I thoroughly despise mindless spotfest wrestling, but I think most people would agree that, all other things being equal, more action is better than less action.
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I've decided that if goodhelmet isn't factoring TNA into his voting, I'm doing the same with post-1997 WCW. As far as I'm concerned, Bret's career ended after Montreal, except when he briefly came out of retirement to work a match with Benoit to pay tribute to Owen.
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I don't think even Matt D would expect someone to be able to work around hepatitis.
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There are plenty of artists and actors who were as good or better at their craft in middle age than in their youth. However, there isn't a single wrestler I know of who was better in his fifties than he was in his thirties. Why is this? Do wrestlers get dumber as they get older? Or is there a physical component to wrestling that overrides understanding and ability to adapt and any other mental factor? Given that, I think that post-prime work should be viewed as the equivalent of extra credit-something that can't count against you, only for you.
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It'd be one thing if Austin was still a full-time performer whose career was winding down. But if WWE brings him back as a special attraction just to put someone over, I think the fans will reject that. Did Cena derive any tangible benefit from beating Rock at Wrestlemania?
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I guess I'm higher on Eddy than most. I agree that he was on another level in 1997 and 2004-5, but there's plenty of good stuff outside of those periods. One guy at DVDVR aptly described the entire 2002-5 period as the Eddie Guerrero Teaches WWE How To Work Tour. I need to revisit his work as Black Tiger, but my recollection is that it holds up as well as any juniors wrestling from that period. The weakest part of his resume is his work as a luchador. I actively despise the When Worlds Collide match, and from what I've seen of him in CMLL, he was largely coasting on athleticism while his brothers did the heavy lifting. When all is said and done, he's pretty much a guaranteed top 20 at worst for me.
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I think what it comes down to is that Misawa and company were too good for their own good. Wrestlers who could work at the level they were operating at were hard to come by, so they had to continually up the ante to keep repeated matches between the same three or four guys interesting.
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There's also the fact that people were more violent back then due to childhood exposure to lead. Seriously. http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/01/lead-crime-link-gasoline
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I always hear that no one actually believed wrestling was real in the old days, but why did Ox Baker start a riot in Cleveland beating up a babyface? Did people riot at plays in the 70s? We scoff at the old-timers talking about fighting off fans, but we have proof here. Clearly the emotional dynamic was different. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG-FO6UnaeQ Igor Stravinsky's The Rite of Spring caused a riot when it premiered. Moving back to wrestling, Japanese fans rioted when Vader beat Antonio Inoki in his debut. It wasn't because they thought it was real, it was because they hated the angle. People do dumb shit when they're pissed off.
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Nobody but the dumbest of the dumb thought that wrestling was real even back in the 70s and 80s. Back when Ole Anderson was booking the Carolinas, the Charlotte Observer did a poll of wrestling fans in the city asking if they thought wrestling was real. Ole predicted that 95 to 98 percent would say yes. The actual number was 1 percent. I suppose you could argue that the fans in Charlotte were worldly sophisticates as opposed to the slack-jawed rubes in Memphis and Atlanta, but that doesn't strike me as a very tenable position.
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Being able to generate emotion has nothing to do with knowledge of wrestling's worked nature. Everyone knew that wrestling was fake in 1996, but that didn't stop that one guy from rushing the ring at Bash at the Beach.
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Believe it or not, Mike Graham. He apparently held the state record in the bench press for a long time. Also, Danny Hodge was famous for strongman feats like breaking pliers and crushing apples with his bare hands.
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