Everything posted by NintendoLogic
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Current WWE
Wasn't the extra hour forced on them by USA?
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Jimmy Jacobs
I've seen next to no Jacobs. Is he a brawler or a garbage wrestler?
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Rey Mysterio Jr.
The impression I have is that Rey wasn't really a complete wrestler until he got to WWE. Before that, he was great high flyer and spot machine, but he was heavily reliant on his opponent to provide the match structure.
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Bret Hart
I've said pretty much everything I care to say about Bret, and to be honest, I'm rather bored of discussing him. I'll just say that I'll most likely be the high voter (or second-highest behind Grimmas). I had him slotted in my top ten, but I could certainly see him falling. I doubt he'll drop out of my top 20, though.
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Terry Funk
I also find myself less enamored of Terry the more I see of him. It's the opposite of the issue I have with Lawler-he's transcendently great as a heel but borderline intolerable as a babyface. When he's working heel, his whole schtick helps him come across as a dangerous psychopath. When he's working face, he just comes across as a goofy dipshit.
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Chris Benoit
I've found that Benoit's exhibitions of Serious Wrestling don't really hold up all that well. I greatly prefer stuff like the GAB 98 match vs. Booker T and the Fully Loaded match vs. Rock.
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Dump Matsumoto
I wasn't trying to directly compare Hogan and Dump as workers, just making a point about artistic merit. And I was actually going to make the Sheik/Abby comparison. Like them, all she had going for her was the blood circus/freak show aspect.
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[GWE] Do you distinguish "greatest" from personal favorite?
I'm not saying that there shouldn't be discussion and re-evaluation, not at all. But wrestling, like any other art form, is inherently subjective. How can you objectively prove that Tenryu had more great matches than DiBiase? You can't. You can point to matches X, Y, and Z, but there's no guarantee that the other person will agree with your evaluation. Honestly, I feel like "objectivity" has the potential to be wielded as a cudgel to shut down debate.
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Dump Matsumoto
The discussion in the Hogan thread centered around how popular but artistically questionable didn't merit a spot on the list. But if people want to put Hogan on theirs, that's their prerogative. My point is that Dump makes Hogan look like Kobashi in his prime.
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Randy Savage
What "awesome technical displays" did Savage produce? I'm not trying to be a smartass, I legitimately can't recall a single match where he worked the mat for any length of time. I saw a house show match vs. Bret where he kind of did, but that's it.
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Dump Matsumoto
Oh, hell no. If Hulk Hogan doesn't belong on a list like this that's based on artistic merit, Dump doesn't belong within a million miles of one.
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2014 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame thread
All Japan's fans, hierarchy and contemporary American fans thought Bruiser Brody was an all-time great worker.
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[GWE] Do you distinguish "greatest" from personal favorite?
This isn't terribly helpful since you can provide an argument with reasons for just about anything, what with wrestling being fake and all. You could certainly make an argument for DiBiase's career output being better than Tenryu's.
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[GWE] Do you distinguish "greatest" from personal favorite?
There are no objective standards for match quality, so saying that Tenryu was involved in more great matches than DiBiase isn't being objective. It's a different kind of subjectivity.
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2014 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame thread
Yeah, career vs. career Taue absolutely smokes Gordy. That's especially true if you look solely at their work in All Japan.
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2014 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame thread
As far as I'm concerned, Taue could have fallen off the face of the Earth in 2000 and he'd still be a Hall of Famer. The occasional flashes of brilliance in NOAH are gravy.
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50's & 60's "Wrestling from Chicago" footage
It reminds me of the time Kent Walton called Keiichi Yamada a "fast-moving Jap."
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Current WWE
When Cena was feuding with Miz? Yeah, WWE was pretty much a wasteland at that point. It's picked up big-time the past couple of years. The Cena/Rhodes Brothers vs. Wyatts six-man tag at the house show I went to in March is probably the best match I've seen all year.
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2014 Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame thread
Or it could be case of Mays, Mantle, Snider and Ashburn. It may depend on how much one views them in relative terms to each other or in relative terms to everyone else. How about as the Isaiah to Magic or Bird, or Barkley to Jordan? He's not The Guy. But that guy isn't The Guy without him. I like the analogy I've made in the past. If Misawa/Kawada/Kobashi are Jordan/Magic/Bird, then Taue is Scottie Pippen-a level below the other three, but still an all-time great in his own right.
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50's & 60's "Wrestling from Chicago" footage
Put me in the "punch Russ Davis in the face" camp. He was approaching heel Cole levels of intolerability for me.
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Ricky 'The Dragon' Steamboat
Steamboat probably would have gotten over more in Japan if Abdullah and Sheik had bloodied him up and gotten the crowd behind him in a big way like they did with the Funks.
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Haku/Meng
Being a plumber involves different demands and challenges than being President of the United States. And maybe Teddy Roosevelt wouldn't have done as good a job of unclogging sinks. But that doesn't mean the two jobs are even remotely comparable in terms of difficulty.
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El Dandy
Why was it crass? Because he's dead? If that's the case, then a lot of people here owe the Brody estate an apology. Anyway, his schtick sucked. The "Davis grabs Dandy's arm to prevent him from throwing a punch and opens him up to get blindsided by the rudo" bullshit would have been bad enough if it had been confined to a single match, but he did it in every apuestas match I've seen him officiate. I reiterate: fuck that guy.
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Vader
Dude managed to beat a good match out of Hulk Hogan. Dark horse top ten pick.
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El Dandy
El Dandy might be the best technical wrestler I've ever seen, so he'll place pretty high on my ballot. I'm not nearly as enamored of his brawls, though. Then again, that's largely due to the fact that just about all of them involve El Gran Davis, the Earl Hebner of Mexico. Seriously, fuck that guy.