Everything posted by NintendoLogic
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Dave Meltzer stuff
He was talking about Japanese entertainers. The biggest stars in the Japanese music, television and film industries are not very well known outside of Japan. As I recall, his thoughts weren't fully formed on the radio show. He said "Japanese cultural" and then started talking about entertainers. Here's what he wrote in the most recent Observer after he had time to collect his thoughts: He then wrote the following: In other words, if the product is good, it'll export well. If it isn't, it won't. It's not about culture.
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The storied pro wrestling career of Madonna
It's worth pointing out that Kissing Suzy Kolber referred to Madonna in the halftime show as "Blonde Chyna."
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Giving modern WWE a chance
The Summerslam match was pretty good, but MITB was much better.
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A positive Hulk Hogan thread...
If you worked a program with Hogan, you were basically set for life. Also, I can't think of anyone else who got over in such a wide variety of wrestling environments. Maybe Terry Funk, but that's it. For all of his association with cartoon wrestling, it's easy to forget that he first got over huge in Verne Gagne's AWA and Antonio Inoki's New Japan. Which brings me to an interesting hypothetical. Meltzer has said that if Vince didn't have Hogan, he would have built his national expansion on the back of Kerry Von Erich, who would have self-destructed on the road. What would the wrestling landscape look like today if Verne had come to his senses and done everything he could to keep Hogan in his employ?
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Stuff no one does anymore?
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I can't recall a recent example. Most of the time, I find they do the thing where the FIP hits a single big move, which leads to a simultaneous hot tag, which is the bane of my existence.
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Montreal!
After some digging, I found the following Dave post at Wrestlingclassics: But this doesn't quite jibe with what Dave wrote at the time: "He would have what the contract called "reasonable creative control" of his character during that lame duck period so that he couldn't be unreasonably buried on the way out." There's a pretty big gap between "can't be unreasonably buried" and "can veto anything he doesn't want to do." And again, he noted that Bret and Vince didn't agree on what it meant: "Hart talked about the clause in his contract giving him "reasonable" creative control, but McMahon claimed that refusing to drop the title in Montreal wasn't reasonable. The two argued about the finish in Montreal and the legalities of their respective positions all day Sunday and well into the night before finally agreeing to do a DQ finish in Montreal." Regardless, none of this changes the fact that the mess was entirely of Vince's making and he was entirely at fault for how it went down.
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Stuff no one does anymore?
I can't remember the last time I saw a heel miscommunication spot in a tag match.
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Montreal!
I'm going to ask this again. Can somebody please provide a source for "reasonable creative control meant both parties had to agree?" If Bret had unrestricted veto power, then "reasonable" is completely meaningless. And Dave's writeup of how everything went down in the 11/17/97 Observer indicates that Bret and Vince did, in fact, have differing interpretations of the word.
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Giving modern WWE a chance
Vince's bewilderment at the idea of finding a certain type of woman attractive is especially amusing given his track record of hiring Divas with rather, ahem, mannish features.
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The Historiography of the Greatest Match Of All Time
I found the old Observer where Dave did his initial write-up of 6/3/94. Here's what he said: And in the first Observer after Kawada won the Triple Crown from Doc, Dave said that the one live report he got called it the best match held at the Budokan that year. So 6/3/94 was highly regarded, but it wasn't some Sgt. Pepper's deal where it was called a decisive moment in the history of Western civilization right out the box. On a completely random side note, in the 1993 awards issue, Kenta Kobashi and Manami Toyota placed third and fourth, respectively, in the Best Technical Wrestler category. If that isn't proof positive that the award is completely meaningless, I don't know what is.
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Wrestler names
We've all heard complaints about how wrestling has become increasingly bland and homogenized. Many of us have even made those complaints ourselves. We can debate the extent to which this is true from an in-ring standpoint, but it's unquestionably true when it comes to the names they use. In the past, wrestlers have generally operated under a few rules when coming up with names. 1. Not the creative type? Just use your real name. Examples: Lou Thesz, Bruno Sammartino, John Cena 2. Alternately, you could go in the complete opposite direction and go by something completely fanciful. Examples: Sting, The Ultimate Warrior, The Undertaker 3. You can split the difference and add some razzle-dazzle to your real name. Examples: Ric Flair, Randy Savage, Chris Jericho 4. A snappy nickname never hurts. By themselves, Shawn Michaels and Buddy Rogers are pretty bland. But combine them with The Heartbreak Kid and Nature Boy, respectively? That's more like it. 5. When all else fails, you can't go wrong with alliteration. Examples: Hulk Hogan, Bruiser Brody, Killer Kowalski You can get more bang for your buck by combining two or more rules. Take Bret "The Hitman" Hart (rules 1 and 4), Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (rules 3 and 4), or Jake "The Snake" Roberts (rules 4 and 5). Taking the cake is Ravishing Rick Rude (rules 3, 4, and 5). I would classify gimmicked foreign names like Fritz Von Erich and Nikita Koloff as a variant of rule 2. This isn't to say that every name in the old days was a winner (The Handsome Half-Breed? Ugh). But I'd say the hits far outweigh the misses. Which is why I find it so baffling that the WWE currently seems so hell-bent on disregarding all of those rules. Dolph Ziggler? Alex Riley? Daniel Bryan? (Admit it, the name sucks) To see what the future holds, let's take a look at the WWE's farm system: http://www.fcwwrestling.info/talent.html Wikipedia tells me that none of these guys are using their real names. Which makes it all the more shocking to see how bland and colorless most of these names are. Being born with a boring name is one thing, but using a boring pseudonym is just stupid. Again, having a snappy nickname would mitigate this, but from looking at their profiles, the only ones who have nicknames are "Showtime" Percy Watson and "The South African Super Studd [sic]" Leo Kruger. Let's explore a few of these names in greater detail. -Corey Graves: Some Googling tells me that he wrestled in the indies under the name Sterling James Keenan. That's not a great name, but at least it gives you some idea of what his character is supposed to be. Calling him Corey makes him sound like a washed-up teen idol. -Remember how I said that you can't go wrong with alliteration? Well, whoever is coming up with the names for developmental talent is trying their hardest to prove me wrong. Jason Jordan? Kenneth Cameron? Jesus. Then there's Husky Harris. Look at the alliterative names I mentioned earlier. Hulk. Bruiser. Killer. Snake. When I hear those names, I think of toughness and physicality. When I hear Husky, I think of, I don't know, the Iditarod or something. -Eli Cottonwood: This is an example of someone being shoehorned into a preconceived gimmick. I've seen some of his earlier stuff on Youtube, and he was working a psychotic redneck gimmick. But if you've ever heard him speak, you know that he sounds like he belongs on Prairie Home Companion, not Deliverance. Loss has spoken plenty of times in the past how today's top stars not being perceived as tough guys is a problem. I think a bigger problem is that none of them come across as larger-than-life figures. A big part of that is the naming system, which makes guys blend in rather than stand out. As a result, all you're left with is guys fake fighting in their underwear.
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Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 3
That Amazon-looking blonde chick in the Naylor segment is Danielle Moinet, formerly of the Lingerie Football League. Does she have an onscreen name yet? It'd be pretty funny if she got to keep her name and Eddie Guerrero's daughter didn't.
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Other than Vince, who do you consider to be the most important wrestling promotor in history?
If you take the "promoting tree" into consideration, how does Eddie Graham rate? Watts, Cornette, Dusty, and Heyman can all be traced back to him.
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Dave Meltzer stuff
Tell that to Ted Woolsey. Not to go too far afield, but wasn't Woolsey's whole bit that he mastered the art of reworking Japanese gaming things into a western context to the point that there only remained "a lingering amount of uniquely Japanese element to it"? Yeah, but I took Ditch to be saying that the FF games could be translated verbatim without any issues.
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Dave Meltzer stuff
Tell that to Ted Woolsey. Just to be clear, New Japan has absolutely no shot of breaking into the US in a big way. Weren't they running shows in rec centers when they came to the US last year? And the current WON says that Tanahashi makes something like $260,000 a year. I know that Japan isn't the land of big paydays anymore, but holy crap. I wouldn't be surprised if Yoshi Tatsu made more than him.
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Dave Meltzer stuff
On the most recent Observer Radio, Dave talks about the sale of New Japan to Bushiroad and the new president mentioning plans to expand New Japan internationally. Dave said that talk worries him because Japanese cultural products don't export well. What? Has he never played a video game or watched an anime?
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Giving modern WWE a chance
I don't disagree with the overall point, but are there really that many goth guys in TNA? Jerry seems to be classifying anybody who wears a hoodie to the ring as goth.
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Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 3
They didn't script a storyline that made him seem like he was in the running though. Compare this to say Chris Benoit winning the Rumble in 2004 and it's like night and day. Who did get a storyline, though? Pretty much everyone this year was "blah blah blah oh BTW I'm in the Rumble."
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Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 3
Everyone who thought that Sheamus winning was a huge shock must not watch Smackdown on a regular basis, because he's been one of the top two or three babyfaces on that brand for the past like half year. I'm pretty sure he hasn't eaten a single pinfall loss since he turned.
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WWF announcing debate mega-thread
Eh, the Wrestler's Court thing is overblown. From what I've read, it's done to deal with minor breaches of protocol like booking first class tickets before someone with more tenure. The punishment is usually something like having to buy dinner for the wronged party. So did Booker T put himself over CM Punk by criticizing him for not hooking both legs?
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WON HoF Candidate Poll Thread
I think Big Show had the misfortune of coming along in an era where the big companies were giving away so much on free TV every week, making it difficult to build up an Andre-like mystique. I guess Goldberg had that kind of mystique for a while, but it's an open question whether that was sustainable over the long run.
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WWF announcing debate mega-thread
I've already given my thoughts on JBL from an in-ring standpoint in the guys you should like but don't thread, but suffice it to say I'm on the same page as El-P. As for Hardcore Holly, I always thought it was funny that he got a reputation as a tough guy by stiffing the shit out of guys who weren't fighting back. Would he have lasted ten seconds against Daniel Puder in a shoot?
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WCW ongoing thread
It cuts the other way too. In America, calling someone a bloody wanker would be seen as a playful insult. In Britain, it signifies that you're looking to start a fight.
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Brady and Belichick, the best heel combo of all
What about Trent Green? When he came into the St. Louis territory, he was scheduled to receive a monster push. But then he blew out his knee after a botched tackle by Rodney Harrison, a notoriously sloppy worker, and lost his spot to a vanilla midget who had never headlined outside the indies. Anyway, for all the complaints about how the NFL's booking has centered around the Brady/Belichick stable, they have given the rub on a few significant occasions. Peyton Manning shook his reputation as the Lex Luger of his generation after he led the Colts Squadron to victory over the Patriots Alliance in the Hoosier Dome WarGames match. And when Eli went over Brady in a MOTYC, he gained instant main event credibility.
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Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 3
I don't think so. Vince has never struck me as a member of the family values wing of the GOP, and it's something he can point to the next time GLAAD gets on his case. I'd say he's just at that heel Punk/Jericho level where they figure he's good enough on the mic to keep his heat even if they job him out constantly.