DR Ackermann
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I can't wait to get your guys' lists in part 3. I think it was Will who suggested Tatum as a replacement for Gordy and Johnny who said it wouldn't have worked because Gordy and Hayes had grown up together. Coincidentally Tatum and Hayes actually grew up together too.
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Isamu Teranishi & Kuniaki Kobayashi Teranishi http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/20703-tackling-the-80s/page-2&do=findComment&comment=5564475 http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/20703-tackling-the-80s/?view=findpost&p=5565157 http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/28675-tatsumi-fujinami/?view=findpost&p=5633579 Kobayashi http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/5364-dvd-2-tiger-mask-vs-kuniaki-kobayashi/?hl=kobayashi http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/17592-riki-choshu-kantaro-hoshino-kuniaki-kobayashi-kensuke-sasaki-shiro-koshinaka-vs-animal-hamaguchi-super-strong-machine-tarzan-goto-hiro-saito-masanobu-kurisu-njpw-062690/?hl=kobayashi http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/12121-koki-kitahara-vs-kuniaki-kobayashi-war-030793/?hl=kobayashi
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Man, the more Savage I watch the less I see a case for him. I know it's not all about having great matches but there are so many nothing matches from him in 80s WWF. I know the style isn't known for producing loads of great matches but that's where the bulk of his resume is, isn't it? I don't see Santana on the same level that a lot of people seem to, but I'm liking his mid-late 80s stuff a lot more than Savage's. I'm not writing him off my ballot but at this point I don't see how he could be a top 50 guy at all when there are so many great wrestlers out there.
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The thing is that the champ's defense against the local star was all that those fans were going to see. As far as they were concerned the champ was dominating competition everywhere else and their guy was the ONE he couldn't beat fairly. So you can't factor in the idea that the champion was getting his ass kicked in every match. Your Mayweather analogy actually works in favor of this method because in the fans' eyes that's probably what the NWA champ was 99% of the time and their local hero was the one guy who had his number.
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Yeah, sorry for the confusion. As far as a poor man's Flair goes, I think Austin was wayyy better at it than Michaels during the same time period. And he had a lot less experience too. But that's a conversation for another thread.
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He emulated Michaels in the sense that Shawn was the 'showstopper' and the idea was to go out and give an over-the-top show stealing performance every night. To Jericho that meant doing as much 'cool' and flashy stuff as possible. He was more influenced by Michaels in spirit than in his actual in-ring style, which was my whole point in the first place. "Loss has talked about Shawn Michaels trying to emulate Flair without understanding what actually made him great. Well Jericho is someone who emulated Michaels without understanding what made him good."
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I found the Liger match on dailymotion if you wanted to check that out too. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xev0zo_jushin-thunder-liger-vs-yoshiaki-fu_sport
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There was a match against Hase from 93 on youtube and one against Liger from 94 that I would have recommended but it looks like they've been taken down. Here are 3 matches from 3 distinct periods of his career. The first is from the original UWF, the place where he had his first chance to main event, taking on the original Tiger Mask. The second one is from one of the first PWFG shows when he was right around his peak. The third is from last December. It's a brief glimpse of what he is still capable of at 64. vs. Super Tiger 9.11.85 vs. Wellington Wilkins Jr. 5.11.91 vs. Masaaki Mochizuki 12.4.13
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One of Fujiwara's signature spots is reversing leglocks. He capitalizes on the mistake his opponents make by putting themselves in the position for him to put on his own leglock, which he is typically much better at than his opponents. Its kind of like headbutting JYD (or Fujiwara for that matter), but more intricate and legitimate since its shoot-style and they're just going with the flow until the finish. The crowd knew what was coming next and he was saying, "Oh, really? You're putting ME in a leglock? OK, we'll see..."
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This reminded me of some generic early 2000s RoH match between two guys that were really into Japanese wrestling and wanted to get a whole bunch of their favorite influences in but didn't understand what restraint meant. And neither did the booker. This was wrestled a little bit better though. Lots of ideas, too long, little meaning but it still wasn't a bad match.
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http://www.cagematch.net/?id=2&nr=93&page=4&search=greg+valentine
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My feelings 100 percent. I always feel like I'm missing something when I watch his matches that get praised. I tend to like them a lot less than everyone else.
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His brawls with Terry in AJPW are awesome and tell very distinct stories. They have amazing chemistry together. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVPrcvlioGE vs Terry Funk 9/11/82 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9W-io5xUJE vs Terry Funk 4/14/83 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y5AHlBtmV0 w/ Terry Gordy vs the Funks 8/31/83 (Terry Funk retirement match)
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In the Tanahashi thread Bill Thompson named 50 people he thought were better than Michaels in 1996. His list didn't seem outlandish and that is supposed to be Michaels' banner year. If a guy is that outclassed in what is widely praised as his best year, then what chance does he have to make an all time top 100 list? I'm not saying Bill is completely right and Michaels is in consideration for the back end of my list but the more I see of him, the more I realize he's not the wrestler I thought he was in my teens and early twenties. Having gone back and watched a lot of early 90s WWF, I can say that once Michaels becomes a singles wrestler his stock as a worker drops dramatically. He's OK at best and usually pretty awful throughout 92 & 93. So sell me on Michaels by way of matches and performances, or do the opposite and turn me away from him.
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That sounds pretty reasonable for the most part, although I'm not that familiar with 96 as a whole. Do you really think Meng, Goldust and Ultimo are better that year? What I've seen of Goldust's first run was pretty poor and i can't believe that Michael's 'best year' is outshined by Ultimo who I've never seen as good.
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I'm curious, Bill. Who would be in your 1996 top 50?
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A lot of 90s juniors stuff doesn't always hold up, but i think his Superbrawl II match with Liger is great and stands the test of time. That's something to really consider. I think the only thing that could keep him off my list is longevity but he has a strong chance of making it.
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Fantastic technician. I watched some matches he had with Ryuma Go from the 70s recently that were just awesome. I also think he stood out as the best guy in the 5-on-5 Gauntlet match from 84. The first time I saw Fujinami I didn't understand the praise but the more I see him the more I like him. Top 20 contender for me at this point.
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That's what I thought. Since you've seen the best, worst and everything in between, do you think Choshu was better in tags than singles? I don't recall him being in a whole lot of singles on the All Japan set and I've seen some stuff here and there that was disappointing. At the same time I liked the Killer Khan match more than anything else he was in that I've seen from All Japan. Personally what I like most about Choshu is exemplified in the 4.3.83 Fujinami match. The struggle, intensity & hatred. You get the intensity & hatred in the tag matches but the struggle isn't there as much.
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Childs, you were one of the guys who worked on the 80s NJPW & AJPW projects, right?