WingedEagle
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This reads like it was designed to make El-P kill himself. But have to respect what you want to see. -
Suzuki needs to go into the hall so he kick Alvarez off the apron while entering the ring to accept his plaque.
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Wasn't the tag with Savage/Warrior (and then Perfect) vs. Flair/Ramon pushed ahead of the title match on that show, or does it just feel like a bigger match in hindsight?
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Definitely more respectful. They won't crap on you unless you literally crap on them, and that basically means over the top insulting booking rather than poor work. But a hot match? They'll blow their tops.
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I was recently looking at an old Observer talking about Lawler's book and went into some detail about the Funk feud. Apparently he burned the hell out of his eyes and spent days trying to get the oil out of his hair. And then somehow the match didn't draw as well as previous versions!!
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A hot crowd can definitely get you more into a match, or sometimes make you wonder why you're not loving something quite as much as the live audience is. Are we looking for some kind of validation that a match is great, or is it a small part of what makes it awesome? Dolph cashing in the briefcase was nothing special as a match, but how do you not get amped for it with a crowd like that? Same with Rock/Hogan as Coffey mentioned. No clue why why it can help so much, but man is it awesome to go along for the ride. On the other hand, you go and watch Volk Han or something similar with politely respectful crowd that only turns up the volume for a finish or maybe a couple key spots, and it doesn't drag things down at all. Variety baby!
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So basically you are a coward. Good riddance scrub Looks like the Dolphins have found their new guard! Bud, it doesn't make your arguments any stronger or you a better or cooler person to couch all of your points in sweeping generalities, profanities and personal attacks. Somebody needs a HUG. Maybe from Tanahashi. I hear he works pretty lightly.
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EDIT: LOL. Had a lot more to say, but I forgot I was arguing with the arbiter of honesty, credibility and all other virtues in these parts. I'm comfortable with what I've read. Sorry if you're not.
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How are their cases at all similar? No one is crediting Bryan with any period as a company's ace but rather an incredibly long and sustained period of work. I don't remember seeing anyone suggest that Tanahashi's candidacy and election this year was solely due to his work but rather his work in tandem with his run on top and impact on business, primarily over the last two years. Leaving aside whether you think they belong, because that is irrelevant, I don't see any way to pretend that their resumes for inclusion are remotely comparable. The people most actively defending Tanahashi here and elsewhere are defending him on work. Bryan is a work candidate. Most people don't want to engage the idea of Tanahashi's drawing power, because it's largely a myth of perception manufactured by those who really enjoy him. That's not to say he was a bad draw from beginning to end, but the idea that he is an HoF draw is transparently comical on it's face. Not going to reread every post here on Tanahashi, but it strikes me as inaccurate to say that people defending him here have done so while staying silent on him as a draw. I don't care what you think of him as a draw as its irrelevant. But it is relevant to plainly ignore that facet of his candidacy in arguing for or against him for any reason, much less because it lets you slot Bryan somewhere. Especially given that Bryan is hardly someone who needs such tenuous shortcuts to support him based on work.
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How are their cases at all similar? No one is crediting Bryan with any period as a company's ace but rather an incredibly long and sustained period of work. I don't remember seeing anyone suggest that Tanahashi's candidacy and election this year was solely due to his work but rather his work in tandem with his run on top and impact on business, primarily over the last two years. Leaving aside whether you think they belong, because that is irrelevant, I don't see any way to pretend that their resumes for inclusion are remotely comparable. Tanahashi was voted in by many just for his workrate from comments I have seen, so I can see how Dylan is drawing a comparison. The jury is still out for me on HIS impact on NJ becoming 500% more profitable. Like others have said, right place, right time. I heard a bit about folks commenting to that effect, but didn't see that his candidacy became one resting on work. Particularly in the pages of the WON, he was also getting significant credit for the rise of iPPV as a significant revenue stream for the company. If we're attributing the newfound love for his work to his hype there over the past couple years, I don't see see how one also dismisses his run on top for business. If I'm missing a piece of the puzzle as to how those voting in the Japan category view things, I'm definitely eager to see that. Again, I'm not looking to get into it about the merits of his candidacy. I'm a huge fan of his work in-ring, and think he probably deserves credit for being top while PPV business sees this kind of rise, but also think its premature to definitively state that today. I'm just not a fan of dismissing that aspect of his resume or dismissing his role by saying it didn't matter who's on top. With that kind of logic you can argue it doesn't ever matter who was on top. If you stretch things enough you can always point to macroeconomic and other environmental factors any outcome. EDIT: Point is I don't see where all of a sudden Tanahashi's candidacy became that of the Japanese Daniel Bryan. This was the first I've heard anyone even attempt to argue that Tanahashi is a strict workrate candidate.
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How are their cases at all similar? No one is crediting Bryan with any period as a company's ace but rather an incredibly long and sustained period of work. I don't remember seeing anyone suggest that Tanahashi's candidacy and election this year was solely due to his work but rather his work in tandem with his run on top and impact on business, primarily over the last two years. Leaving aside whether you think they belong, because that is irrelevant, I don't see any way to pretend that their resumes for inclusion are remotely comparable.
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Call me old school or crazy, but I enjoy having and keeping a hard copy. I also like being able to flip back to past issues. Someone here was helpful in providing a template for formatting it if I wanted to subscribe online and print them, but haven't made that leap yet.
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Looking forward to catching up on this thread next week. Avoiding until then so that I can crack the WON without spoilers when it arrives.
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Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell its the Big Show! Maybe not most boring ever, but outside of working with Bryan & Henry, and getting destroyed by the Shield, I don't recall the last time I found him remotely interesting.
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WAR! The crowd is absolutely on fire here beginning at the intros and continuing all the way through the post-match angle. The heat for the WAR guys is off the charts and helps makes for one of the best spectacles and atmospheres on the entire set. Everyone's key spots, antics and even little things -- like Kosh throwing a ruckus on the apron waiting to get tagged in -- only further amp the intensity. This feels more heated than just about anything else in the world this year. Its stiff, well paced and would probably excite anyone with even minimal knowledge of the stars / promotions. Superb finishing sequence with them teasing Tenryu taking the fall before he finally wins it. Afterwards Tenryu and and his Jackson 5 hair call call out Choshu as the building goes goes nuts. There's your Tokyo Dome main event, as he also calls Inoki into the ring. ****1/2 Maybe I overrated this having only seen a few highlights of the feud from '93, but man did I love this more than anything I'd watched on the set in a while. I'll have to go check out the other matches that didn't make the yearbook mentioned above.
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Great shine & fire from Dustin early with fists, lariats and a bulldog. Vader looks like arguably the best selling big man ever here. He can take a beating and make his opponent look like a star while never looking like some sort of fat pushover. Love how he shakes his head to clear the cobwebs. Vader soon turns the tables and roughs him up with roundhouse forearms, before they go outside where Dustin takes an awesome bump on the floor for a lariat. Vader wins clean with splash off middle rope back in the ring. This would've been an awesome feud. More Dustin! Too short to be great, but very, very good. ***1/2
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Cornette starts off talking about 6 man with him & Garvin, then delivers an awesome promo setting up all of the Thanksgiving Thunder matches b/w Bodies & RNR. Does a hell of a job selling the shows because he's so zeroed in on a particular message and selling those shows. This is so awesome compared with his promos where he's rambling and throwing out tired one liners.
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Quick, solid work early. Barry & Dustin were such a great team, working a cool suplex/elbow combo and so capable of working any style depending on the opponent. Other than Dustin being the one to deck Barry, I thought it was a pretty effective heel turn for Windham and a hell of a follow up after the match and backstage. Really looking forward to his last run as a singles. ***1/2
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