Everything posted by WingedEagle
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Is it possible to be too ignorant to enjoy Japanese wrestling - or do I secretly agree with Vince Russo
I was going to add the exact same thing as JDW -- the yearbook threads are a hell of a resource for someone who's watched much of what's on the sets, so I would think they should be beyond invaluable for someone going into the material fresh. That's the case for me with a lot of the NJ and some of the joshi, as I'm already familiar with most AJ. The threads in there should provide you with a great sense of the micro and macro context for much of it. John, are your DVDVR pimping posts that Childs mentioned above still available?
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Vince McMahon - Reallly a "Genius"?
I need to arrange a deal where I "buy" a company using that same company's future revenue as the source of payment. Pretty sweet deal! If that future revenue is no lock and entirely contingent upon how you grow it, its not that hot a deal. Just an opportunity for you to either capitalize on or piss away.
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Wrestling Culture Episode 47
Yeah that's the one. It is in the queue.
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Ric Flair (sigh)
What he said. There's a place for a host that calls out every inaccuracy or lie they here, and there's also a place for one that provides a forum for a guest to speak freely at length about a variety of topics. These two don't always intersect, and that's okay.
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Vince McMahon - Reallly a "Genius"?
Really depends what you consider a genius. If that means excelling beyond every peer in his profession, then yes, tough to argue the case.
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Your best 10 match card.
Looking forward to the AJ card.
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GFOAT
I've seen most of the touted matches from the highly touted stuff from the glory years during the mid 90s (but quite some time ago). The one person I really need to go back and dig through older material for is Bull. I know Aja, Hokuto & Toyota had the snowflakes flowing quite freely from 92 on, but Bull has a presence and style that's just so different and unique. The way she carries herself in both baby and heel fashion is something else. Purely personal taste but I'm always just a tad more attuned when she's doing her thing than some others.
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Good Will Wrestling - 1980s Lucha
Yeah add this to the cue. I was thinking about holding off on this until I worked through a bunch of yearbooks, but with only 2 months left in 1992 perhaps I pause and turn to this at that point. We shall see!
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Wrestling Culture Episode 47
2.5 hours. Good lord. I've got a 20 mile run coming up this weekend and was planning on listening to Mooney's best of the 80s NWA podcast, but it may get bumped for this. You know, timely material and all. Sorry, Sean.
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Voices of Wrestling - Daniel Bryan push, is August '13 the greatest month in wrestling history?
I've found he generally connects pretty well on the Rainmaker. He also throws a beautiful dropkick and has a nice elbow off the top. He's not bad at trading big spots when in with Tanahashi, but Red Ink and that awful drop into a bump on the neck that Goto (who I despise) has a version of both need to go. For a guy only so far into having a run of main event matches, that offense plus his selling is enough to leave me pretty optimistic about where he can go as a worker.
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Voices of Wrestling - Daniel Bryan push, is August '13 the greatest month in wrestling history?
Which execution of La Magistral shouldn't be blocked or simply countered by the recipient throwing the protagonist off of him? How about every spot where the guy working underneath stands, waits and catches someone diving on him? Many cradles and pinning sequences in lucha seem so diagrammed, slowly executed and done to an opponent who's not even dazed, much less out on his feet that there's no way I can buy them as legit. If we're extending it to tombstones, what about most Undertaker spots, GTs's, FU's/AA's, or similar spots that require one guy to be lifted and maneuvered into position for the move? Within the context of a fight -- caged or otherwise, they're almost all completely preposterous. I say that generally not minding it one bit. I'm just not clear where we draw the line as far as when cooperation is a bad thing as opposed to something acceptably overlooked.
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Voices of Wrestling - Daniel Bryan push, is August '13 the greatest month in wrestling history?
Completely agree on Naito. I thought he was great in the title match last year vs. Okada but since coming back have not been at all impressed other than vs. Suzuki in the G1, and Suzuki can carry just about any stiff to a good match. I'm apparently in the distinct minority on Tanahashi on PWO as I think he delivers in big matches, but Naito's performance there was too cartoonish for me. I also love Nakamura but man did he and Naito miss or hold back on just about every strike in that match. Negative points to the cameraman for exposing things as much he did there as well, though they need to at least not scream at me that its fake. Then again I enjoyed certain aspects of Ishii/Shibata (beginning and finishing stretch) but do not find much to love about the "let's take turns stiffing the hell out of and attempting to concuss one another" style. If these guys want to try MMA that badly they should go for it, but in the proper forum.
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Ric Flair (sigh)
To be fair (or perhaps just optimistic), Flair also said on the pod that it was in 1986 when he was there -- perhaps he was just getting years confused and lumping in a Brody story with the time he though he was killed?
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Voices of Wrestling - Daniel Bryan push, is August '13 the greatest month in wrestling history?
I love Okada, and am excited to see where he goes as he matures and develops. Red Ink does nothing for me but he's got a diverse offense, and as already noted, is an incredibly willing and able seller. How can one criticize his finisher for being cooperative but not find the same flaws with much lucha? Perhaps I haven't seen enough but a lot of the matwork and finishes there aren't possible to pull off on even a dazed opponent. I also like most of the pimped lucha I see and love some of the high end stuff, but if cooperation is a flaw then lucha needs to be found pretty guilty as well.
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Ric Flair (sigh)
That answers the question of what I'll listen to when I go for a 14 mile run tomorrow.
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Jaaawn Cena
Its also "cool" for everyone other than kids to hate Cena now so most seem happy to go with the flow. It doesn't phase him, makes for some interesting moments and keeps the crowd involved. Win/win.
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What are you watching?
Awesome, bookmarked and ready to peruse along with a pre-dinner drink. Love vacation!
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[1997-06-30-WWF-Raw] The Undertaker promo
I love how you deadpan all of this. Just cracking me up.
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What are you watching?
Any quick links to some of them? Eager to delve into them, but not quite so eager to distinguish the good from the poor.
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[1992-09-17-AJPW-20th Anniversary] Kenta Kobashi vs Jun Akiyama
Pretty incredible debut, with Kobashi giving Akiyama many opportunities to look good on the mat and with counters while still staying on top. Akiyama to shows good fire in his comebacks, arguably more than he'd do at times as a vet. A kickout from Kobashi's backdrop suplex brings the crowd behind him and his big spot is a counter into a German. Hell of a story and performance here. ***1/4
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[1992-09-15-SWS] Ric Flair vs Genichiro Tenryu (2/3 falls)
Flair doing his character work in Japan is great, yelling at the ref and crowd and generally heeling it up. The first fall is worked slowly, but stiffly, as they're clearly going long. They are both really laying in the chops. Flair goes for kneebreaker but Tenryu counters, hits the enzuigiri & power bomb for the first fall. Flair goes to work on the knee in the second fall with his trademark spots -- throwing the shoulder at it, the sit down on the ropes, snapping it and winning when Tenryu's shoulders are counted down after a long figure four. Tenryu counters a figure four in the 3rd fall as the crowd gets into Tenryu's near falls before the disappointing but predictable finish. Nevermind that the match was great, but it really looked like Flair loved the chance to put on another NWA world title match. ****
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[1992-09-15-AJW-Bull Nakano 10th Anniversary Show] Bull Nakano & Aja Kong & Kyoko Inoue vs Toshiyo Yamada & Yumiko Hotta & Mariko Yoshida
Had no idea this was the case and definitely gives some perspective. Loved the early spot with Kyoko avoiding an attack before the sprites all back away from Bull. The monsters dominate the first fall early with power and great teamwork. Bull misses a legdrop on Yamada but no sells a triple dropkick. Yamada wraps her up in a small package for the first fall. Kong dominates Hotta with kicks and a Uraken in the second fall, which Kyoko takes quickly with a running Tenryu elbow off the top. Yamada grounds Kong in the 3rd and works her leg for a while. They brawl outside for a bit and we get some quality violence from Bull on Yoshida. A Kong splash & Nakano legdrop on Hotta get 2 before a save, but another legdrop gets the pin. Hokuto out afterwards to present flowers to Bull. Enjoyable, but far from elite match. Still loving all the joshi on here. ***3/4
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Greatest performances in ad-hoc last-minute-change situations
What about the Summerslam main event where Angle was knocked loopy and had to leave for a solid chunk of the match?
- [1992-09-14-WWF-Primetime Wrestling] Interview: Bret Hart
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[1992-08-27-AJPW-Summer Action Series II] Mitsuharu Misawa & Kenta Kobashi vs Steve Williams & Terry Gordy
The early portion was fun to see as Kobashi holds his own with the MVC for a while. Gordy & Williams as a team really haven't impressed me in Japan. They're pretty slow and plodding, just pounding on the natives and somewhat serving as a base for their offense to revolve around. Williams kicks out of a tiger driver for big near fall. Kobashi gets to kick out of a top rope northern lights suplex for a big pop before eating another northern lights and the stampede. Is this as "bad" a tag as Misawa & Kobashi can have? ***1/4