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By far the best wrestling board on the Internet. I do not have much to add; most of what I feel has already been said by others. However I do want to thank Loss and Will and the others for running this board so well and for creating an atmosphere which fosters excellent wrestling discussion.

For what it is worth, the spot has gone viral. Indian comedy pages which have never posted memes about wrestling before with the exception of the huge stars like Cena, Austin, etc have made memes about that spot. That is not going to earn them any money per se, but it is certainly...something, I guess, even though it is the kind of wrestling I hate. The are certainly gaining notoriety and leverage, so good for them.

It was my first live event also, and it was so much fun!! I had an absolute blast; because it was a house show, there was a lot of playing to the crowd, and it was great!

Let it never saw the light of day. Please. Apparently it was the wwe big match formula and jinder was put over because he got to kick out of 3 pedigrees while hhh kicked out of one of jinders finishes at least that is what someone on Reddit thought the idea behind that was. Also post match there are photos of jinder shaking hands with hhh and bowing to him like he is the conqueror. It is all very Triple H https://imgur.com/a/P5rwp I was there live. He kicked out of one pedigree. Jinder never hit his finisher. Triple H beat him despite interfenece from the Singh brothers. It was a jumbled mess in a way because both took turns playing heel, and it confused the crowd a bit, esp because for many of them it was their first live event. By the end they were randomly cheering spots. The pop for the entrance was massive but the heat died out a bit in the match. Unlike the Shield match, where the Shield got such a tremendous pop Roman could not stop smiling, and the crowd was extremely hot throughout the match. You could tell easily that the participants were really pleased about the crowd reaction to their match. He was put over by Hunter cutting a promo after the match saying Jinder has earned his respect and India is in good hands because Jinder is great no matter what the haters say. He followed that by dancing with Jinder and the Singh brothers before pedigreeing one of them and leaving. Jinder closed the show by cutting a promo thanking us.

Yeah his facial expressions were great. I do not even remember the last time he had sold being absolutely terrified like that.

The main event was shit but Strowman got to close out the show as the last man standing and victorious after paying back Hunter for trying to play him, so that is cool and I like that.

If Shane McMahon eliminates Strowman I am telling you my laptop will feel the full brunt of my righteous wrath!!! Okay maybe not but I will type very furiously.

Wow was not expecting Cena to get eliminated so quickly.

Every time Angle takes a bump I get legit scared.

This has to be the best the tag team division has been in WWE in a really, really long time. The Usos and the New Day deserve quite a bit of credit for that; watching their matches this year, I haven't followed the product closely at all, but theirs might be the feud of the year in WWE.

The commentary is not good. I do not blame them, because 5-person booths are highly difficult to do, but Jesus, one second of peace and quiet with no commentator speaking really loudly would be so so welcome. Shield v. New Day was good. I was honestly expecting better, but it was good. They put over Asuka strong and I liked that. The biggest pop in that match was for the hoss face-off, so I am hoping someone takes notice and we see more such hirings.

lol that's some carny bullshit.

How much do Meet and Greets with superstars like Triple H, Roman Reigns and others high on the totem pole cost generally? The 535 USD I outlined includes that as well as front row seats.

The highest tickets cost 35,000 Indian Rupees. That amounts to about 535 USD, in straight currency conversion. It includes WWE merchandise as well as Meet & Greet with them. Thise will pretty much be comped seats given to dignitaries and the VIPS I think (India has a massive VIP culture); there isn't even an option to purchase them at the online ticketing site. Normal ringside seats will cost 18000 Indian Rupees, which is around 275 USD in straight conversion. The cheapest seats cost 3200 INR, which is the equivalent of 50 dollars; however, in terms of real purchasing power, 3200 is a lot more for us than 50 dollars is for Americans. Same with 275 and 535 USD. The seats are definitely much more expensive than they are for even PPVs in America. There were supposed to be 2 shows but tickets are available for only one, so they either cancelled one show due to poor sales or that sold out. The latter is unlikely; advanced booking in India still means that you purchase tickets mostly 1-3 days before the event. Before December 09, there will probably be a great surge of tickets being sold for this event as well. However, these tickets are no joke. 3200 INR is like, 1/12th or so the monthly salary of a lot of the youngsters they are targeting - the kids will probably convince their parents to take them out as a family trip - so a ticket for the bleachers will also cost a bomb as well, relatively speaking. A layout and pricing for those who care- https://in.bookmyshow.com/sports/wwe-live-india-tickets/seat-layout/ET00062558/10014

The promos here are advertising him defending his WWE title against Owens. It is possible they are old ads though which are still running.

In the previous brand split era, there used to be a rivalry leading up to the Royal Rumble as well, and stemming partially from that, there would be interpromotional matches at WrestleMania, which would be pushed as a big deal. Plus, their video game series was called Smackdown v. Raw and the GM mode was excellent and I was really disappointed when they discontinued that in their games. I always enjoyed that and I hope they start doing all of this again.

Yeah I think this was definitely a major checkpoint in the Death of WCW road. As mentioned before, he match drew a good buyrate during WM season against a molten-hot Austin-McMahon match, only for this shit to happen. I think most fans realised after this that WCW would keep pissing on them and were really not worth the money or the loyalty.

I can see an argument for 97 Hart Foundation for the promos alone. Plus they had way better rivals. Even DX had better feuds and were a better stable than The Shield. I hate DX except for late 1997 and early 1998 when Shawn was a heat magnet, so we will have to disagree on that one. DX was at best a fun midcard act after Shawn retired the first time, and it was never anything that shook up the company the way The Shield did. I think Shield was objectively an exponentially better stable than DX ever was, but they have not had the WWE machine telling everyone for 20 years that they were a revolutionary act that turned the tide of the Monday Night Wars and changed the industry forever.

I can see an argument for 97 Hart Foundation for the promos alone. Plus they had way better rivals. Not to mention the booking of the whole feud was actually compelling and interesting. The Shield, ironically enough, is completely a "workraty"-style unit. People remember matches with snowflakes and that's it. And it's kinda funny after now years of hearing how much Ambrose and Rollins actively suck, how magically the Shield is awesome again and the greatest thing ever. It also shows how desperate they are with Reigns at this point. Because there has never ever been any tag team/stable which was great but whose wrestlers went on to have mediocre careers after they disbanded? I know one of your favourite things on the board apart from shitting on most wrestling is to constantly complain about how irrational everyone else who watches/posts is, but come on. You do not follow the product and have not for some time; do you have any idea how and what they would do every week on TV, ranging from heel beatdowns to cool babyface badassery to fun to great 6-man tags? What their booking arc was? They were a stable that was so over that it was one of the very few times a "This is Awesome" chant was justified; when they faced off with the Wyatts at the beginning of Elimination Chamber and people were just going crazy for them cuz they were over as fuck. None of that had to do with "workraty"-style unit, whatever that is. The Hart Foundation were a great stable and I agree about their promos being more compelling, but I do not think they touch the week-to-week awesomeness that The Shield was, although to be fair, it was a different era with different expectations and requirements.

Having an extended babyface Shield run will also get Roman some significant goodwill. The Shield is arguably the best stable in WWE history (I do not even think it is that arguable to be honest) and looking back Roman was the best worker of the three. Him being portrayed as a cool badass leader of a highly popular stable is nothing but a good idea.

I'll echo the other comments here. Memphis is some of my favourite wrestling to watch, and Lance Russell was a huge part of that. Undoubtedly one of the absolute best ever. RIP.

JYD seems like a sure-fire Hall of Famer to me, but clearly I am in a minority cuz he actually fell off the ballot. He turned a dead city into a wrestling hotbed, made tons of money for Watts, and was arguably the 3rd biggest draw of the 1980s. I guess for many voters it is hard to look past all the Junkfood digs Dave took at him in the late 80s.

Iactually agree that Vince McMahon is both the greatest booker and the greatest promoter of all time by a comfortable distance. Vince at his best is untouchable. The booking of Hogan-Andre for WM 3 was genius. I dunno how much Vince Sr. booked - he certainly was not the micromanager that Jr is - but he deserves credit for running a mega-territory that made massive money for decades. The Sammartino-Zybszko angle was tremendous booking, and from what I have read, Sammartino-Monsoon was excellent as well.

I do not know how Kreski made it really special, but top to bottom the WWF in 2000 was the most well-booked in company history in my opinion. He was also reportedly the brains behind the excellent HHH-Steph-Angle ...angle, which was tremendously well booked and had brilliant foreshadowing and treatment. It was also a time when almost all storylines meshed into each other seamlessly and smoothly and everyone interacted with everyone in a way that made logical sense, and as a result everyone was over to a great extent. I remember reading that he disagreed with some twist or sommething saying it made no logical sense and pointed to his storyboard/notes to show how and he got heat for it and was shortly gone. Bruce Prichard is also a sort-of Vince Russo apologise if I remember correctly, so I will probably never see eye to eye with him on booking and good bookers.

Great Khali. Now and always. He was so bad that Shawn Michaels had to poke his head up and audibly (and visibly) tell him what the right position was at the 2007 Royal Rumble, and I still love him.