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No one was a bigger star than Christian... NO ONE! But yeah, she should've been the first women from her era inducted, not years later behind Torrie Wilson, etc.

People considered Edge handsome and "dreamy" back then. I guess I can see it. At the very least, if a wrestling fan said that, it's more credible than saying it about someone like Ricky Morton.

C'mon, guys, Christian was easily a bigger star than both Dudleys and Matt Hardy during that time. Don't confuse the Bubba/Bully Ray you like now (though I can't imagine why) with the stuttering redneck buffoon he was in his early ECW and early WWE days.

NBC will soon find out just how uneducated and embarrassing the majority of rasslin' fans are. Never, ever underestimate the stupidity of the average rasslin' fan. (Don't let the PWO bubble fool you into thinking the majority of fans are thoughtful and literate.) There's a reason rasslin' hasn't historically attracted good sponsors. In boom periods, you'll get more educated consumers, but we're definitely not in a boom period right now. Just the opposite, no matter what WWE's bottom line many indicate. Don't even get me started on Paramount+. Coming 2 America, a Paramount property, was released the same week Paramount+ launched...on Amazon Prime Streaming. The movie is hot dogshit, but it would've been an undeniable draw for the new service regardless. The Harry/Meghan interview, which aired on CBS, is nowhere to be found on Paramount+ now. (Reminder: Paramount+ used to be CBS All-Access. You were able to watch the interview live on P+, but it's not available there on-demand. Now you have to access a separate CBS app with commercials just to see it.)

You missed me calling Christian Cage one of the top five wrestlers in the Attitude Era, everyone else on PWO unanimously agreeing with me, all of us eventually coming to the consensus that he was actually #1 in the Attitude Era, followed by plans for a daily tweet campaign to get Christian into the WON HOF, and a PWO community-wide pact to rank Christian in the top spot of the 2026 GWE. It was an amazing thread. Sorry you couldn't be there with us.

I can't believe this isn't happening. It's a mind-boggling detail to overlook, and it will definitely cost them subscribers. Yet another clue that this was a super-rushed last-minute deal. Vince really is the ultimate con man charlatan. NBC got snowed big time here. Not sure NBC knows what they're getting into with the rasslin' audience either. Half of them will be whiny Jed Clampett malcontents and the other half won't bother to sign up at all because it's "too confusing" and WWE/NBC didn't hold their hand through the process.

If he does somehow get a second act in wrestling, I'm pretty sure that aspect of his character is forever done (for obvious reasons).

I don't disagree, but to be fair, no other show is structured the way WWE is. No one watching Saved by the Bell is going to think to search for "Jessie Spano caffeine pills" and expect to be taken right to that scene - unlike wrestling fans, who will search for "Ric Flair Royal Rumble speech," etc. Features like that and searching for individual wrestlers probably won't ever return IMO.

Joey Ryan responds: https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2021/03/joey-ryan-statement-on-lawsuits-nixed-indie-event-says-hes-getting-help-for-addictions/

All of this was pretty much known ahead of time though - Peacock's user interface and features (or lack thereof) haven't exactly been a mystery. Yes, it sucks for wrestling fans who don't know what they're getting into, but "they'll get over it" is exactly the attitude anyone at WWE is going to have. With the "Heaven" documentary (see my post above) being presented by "WWE Network Studios," it makes me wonder just how rushed and last-minute this Peacock deal really was. The fact that all of the content won't migrate until August tells me this hasn't exactly been in the works for as long as most people assume.

Did anyone watch the 22-minute documentary "Heaven" about 16-year-old female amateur wrestler Heaven Fitch? It's the first WWE documentary that tackles a topic outside pro wrestling - in this case, amateur wrestling. (Even if you've cancelled your Network subscription, like I have, it's on the free tier - and also on YouTube, which I'll link to below.) If you can get past the self-congratulatory Stephanie McMahon introduction and the shoehorned WWE references, such as Heaven Fitch admiring Beth Phoenix (who also narrates), it's not bad. However, it doesn't pack the same punch most WWE docs do - which is now making me wonder if we've been overrating them this whole time. Because we feel a connection to Mark Henry, for example, that comes across as so heartfelt, touching, and amazing. But the same approach being taken with this girl we've never heard of falls a little bit flat in comparison. It's still a pretty decent watch, don't get me wrong, but it probably needed to be longer to give us more time to get to really know Heaven, her family, and her story - 22 minutes isn't nearly enough.

I assume most of the Hunter bigfoot and Super-Cena finishes don't count for the purposes of this thread? If they do, Hunter vs. Booker T at WrestleMania and Super-Cena and Super-Friends vs. Nexus at SummerSlam spring immediately to mind.

If they are going to double down, I hope Omega comes out on Wednesday obnoxiously twirling those little 4th of July sparklers.

So, aside from not seeing the Attitude Era's #1 guy live and in living color, should be I glad I saved 50 bucks?

I actually called a different post obnoxious, not yours. The game of telephone that gets played on PWO is exhausting sometimes, man. I strongly disagree with you about Al Snow vs. Christian, but I have no reason to disbelieve you when it comes to the demographic information you're providing about Columbus, OH, even though I'm not sure being a top test market and bellwether state for national elections quite translates into how the entire country might have viewed Christian and Al, respectively.

Okay, I'm done...I hope. Christian was #1, not only during the Attitude Era but in any era, and I think we all agree on that now.

Because it's an absurd argument. Al Snow never sold a PPV. E&C and the TLC matches did. No one looked forward to Al Snow's matches. Everyone looked forward to those E&C TLC classics. (And I like Al Snow!)

Because I remember how big and important E&C and the TLC matches were in the Attitude Era, and I stand by putting them in the Top 5. Someone saying Al Snow meant more to their friends as some kind of argument is ridiculous. Everyone using Vince McMahon's arguments and perceptions to devalue Christian is something I wouldn't expect from this board. "Tag team wrestler." "B+ player in his own team." I'm surprised.

How? He literally mentioned his high school and college friends in his post. Not understanding your point here. I was responding to exactly what he said.

Yes, since that's what everything thinks I posted, so I'll just roll with it at this point. Christian > Sammartino and Hogan too. Seriously though, people are underestimating E&C, the TLC matches, and tag team wrestling because Vince and WWE did.

Obnoxious posts like this by insecure people trying to get themselves over on a message board will never be funny. Nice try though. Actually read what I posted next time. Because your high school and college friends are an accurate metric. GTFO with that shit.

Nah. Christian is every bit the star Edge is - not his fault Vinnie Grapefruits could never see it. You can talk about TNA all you want, but no one was moving the needle for that little sinking ship that could. NAO was great fun (well, before the bell rang anyway), but they didn't sell PPVs like E&C did with those TLC matches.

Okay, so who would've been better than Christian that was a realistic possibility of signing with AEW?

Everyone in this thread is suddenly Vince McMahon - shitting on tag team wrestling (newsflash: the TLC guys were almost as valuable as Austin and Rock) and thinking Edge is better than Christian because he has nicer hair and whiter teeth. What's next? Going to start posting with a blue dot too? Christian > Edge

People forget how beloved those TLC matches were during the Attitude Era, and E&C won all of them.