BigBadMick

Ok, I can see the broader issue that bothers you. Fair enough.

Then he doesn't understand anything about probability at all. Some chance is WAY MORE ACCURATE than making up some number that can never be known. Oklanomics makes someone sound as stupid as someone who uses astrology. Does this really mean that much to you Steven?

New material... http://www.powerslamonline.co.uk/updates/152/Power-Slam-Years-eBook-release-date-September-4-2015.htm

Ummm...rereading this, I see I wasn't kind to FSM on first sight. My opinion has changed drastically in past 12 months, really enjoy it now. Sorry Bix!

Bump this to point out his ebook on the Power Slam years is set for Sept 4th release. That has been knocked back several times already, however.

I was completely baffled by that also, goc.

That could be the mission statement for this site. Very well put.

Of course he does. If you were trained by Ric Flair, which you couldn't be, because only Stan Lane was trained by Ric Flair, then why wouldn't you constantly brag about being trained by Ric Flair? Like Stan Lane, the only wrestler ever trained by Ric Flair. Cool. Funny stuff.

If I was in control I would had had Bossman/Tenta as the tag champs into of Shamrock/Bossman. Bossman & Tenta destroying everybody would had been awesome. I dunno Steven. I know you love your nostalgia but geez..... Actually, another point - was there ever a time when mainstraem US wrestling styles changed as much in 7-8 years than say, 1988 to 1996? I can't imagine any headliner from 2006-07 - or quite a bit earlier, having difficulty fitting in today - Jericho, Rock, HHH get away with it. Is Bossman/Tenta worse than Bossman/Shamrock? 83-90 was just as much. So was 73-80. I think the better question may be was there ever a time with less change than 2003 and on? I agreed with Will on the podcast - Bossman was perceived as still being able to go in 1998. He didn't look out of place there. I think 'quake would have. You're right - it's more about the lack of change since 2003.

If I was in control I would had had Bossman/Tenta as the tag champs into of Shamrock/Bossman. Bossman & Tenta destroying everybody would had been awesome. I dunno Steven. I know you love your nostalgia but geez..... Actually, another point - was there ever a time when mainstraem US wrestling styles changed as much in 7-8 years than say, 1988 to 1996? I can't imagine any headliner from 2006-07 - or quite a bit earlier, having difficulty fitting in today - Jericho, Rock, HHH get away with it.

Wasn't he rather dated looking by 1996? And the idea of a feud with Austin in 1998, as suggested by Justin on Dangerous Alliance podcast, sounds preposterous to me. Really can't see the Attitude era WWF accepting him while mocking Hogan, Piper and Savage as over the hill.

Interesting little info about Valentine, Piper and One Man Gang possibly defecting in '88, I was unaware of that. Another great show - obviously. Bix, what was your point about Stan Lane being trained by Flair - does he go on and on and on about it or something?

Yeah, looking back Power Slam definitely had a Keith-ist workrate mentality. To be fair though, WWF seemed to really need dragged kicking and screaming out of the 80s and into anything faster paced in the 90s.

He seems very popular on this site. I'm remembering him being lambasted as a poor talent in Power Slam in the early 90s, and Meltzer didn't go out of his way to heap praise upon him at the time either. What happened? Is it nostalgia? Hipsters? Was it that the overall talent was stronger back then and he didn't standout as much as he might now? BTW I have watched some of his matches here and there recently and consider him perfectly acceptable.

Interesting concepts, great debut. Justin, I got the impression you felt very defensive about the sharks circling here as you ran through Michaels and Angle as his favourites To be honest, I'm in the same boat. I started reading here at the beginning of 2013 and was taken aback by the hostility towards both. Like Justin, I can see the pov but still really enjoy their work.

...but I'll try. Shitload of Sophie's Choices in there though.

Noticed those too! Cool.

Funny, I was listening to the Daniel Bryan podcast that Alan Counihan did last week. I'd hate to have to narrow it down - so much of his 2002-09 is clutched tightly to my heart.

Really nice trip down memory lane here lads. Loved his entire run, and the RoH glory days are always a pleasure to revisit.

two hours into this and - surprise surprise! - really good podcasting, guys. Lots of fascinating in little asides and nuggets of info peppering it nicely.

Bret admitted during his 2004 feud with Flair (over the book - again!) that he'd heard a lot about Flair in the 80s but hadn't seen much prior to 1991 in WWF.

I can't think of any outright lies Flair told. His memory's not the best, admittedly, but the bullshit count here seems low to me.

Maximum respect in the business, yeah. But what about self respect, standing up for yourself - that sort of thing? I imagine we come at this from entirely different ends of the spectrum Parv but I side with warrior over Vince on a lot of things. This is a cut-throat, sleazy way to make a living at times, and Vince has rewarded people time and again for standing up to him by throwing money at them to come back. Again, in 9 to 5 world, reprehensible. But here.....

There's different ways of painting it. "Spineless corporate man" or "company man" is one way to paint it. "Loyal soldier who'd go to the wall for you" puts a different inflection on it. Ted came up in tough places like Amarillo and endured working for Watts, the hardest of task masters. And then Vince, also a very demanding boss. Rude couldn't have taken it, and didn't. So who is the more spineless? Who can you count on when the chips are down and the shit hits the fan? There's two ways of looking at that. Interesting. With wrestling, you always get a sense of us v them when it comes to wrestlers/promoters. I agree Ted in a 9 to 5 world would be a model employee. In the wild west, traveling circus world of rasslin' though, I think Rude's attitude works better and garners more respect.

One other thing that jumped out at me was Flair's subserviance to Vince. He said being told off by Vince really hit him hard. I understand younger wrestlers seeing him as a father figure and all that, but Flair's less than 5 years younger than him.