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And not to mention Japanese dates that take people away for extended times. Not to mention Briscos for Fantastics would be two greens for two certified pros and a former nwa champ.
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And regarding dibiase, I'd have a story put together without question and it would be big.
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Backlund is the top babyface. Jyd is the top babyface. What else would be there. This was a fantasy draft. We don't need to jump realistic and fantasy lines on each decision.
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I'd add more but honestly there isn't a lot up there to give. I'd be losing too much giving up steamboat for ted. Essentially steamboat is jyd. Backlund is ted.
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Again, it is a question of luck with that draft, which is our procedure. If I could trade DiBiase and Fantastics for Backlund and Brisco brothers I'd swap to wwf. I'd uphold deals and modify the parvs way of thinking. That leaves mid south with quite a bit still including JYD and othera especially coming off a huge Superdome show and freelancers booked through the end of the year.
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I look at the number of workers I have right now... wrestlers and everything... 26. We all know the Grand Wizard dies in less than a month so I just dropped to 25. Now when I think about size, I would view this as a "regional" size promotion. Now all be it, I funnel in talent and use free lancers to bolster up to around 30... the promotion is almost to the next level. I would say having 30-35 guys would raise a regional promotion up but also in those 30, you have enough to have solid spots in the Main Event (which should only have 4 guys at the MOST) and then some upper mid card guys, a few mid card, and then a bunch of dudes who are getting a paycheck. If you look at what I've done with Mid South since I got it... and what I have done over the past month, I never brought WWF guys in to Mid South to work. It was the opposite way around. I never used the WWF for that, I used Mid South to bolster the WWF... because as "promising" as that roster looks, the meat and potatoes need seasoning no matter what. I guess like Goc said, there is really no merit for doing more than someone else, which is a tad frustrating when we think about what Vince, Crockett, and Watts did in real life to do more, they got more out of it. I simply want to raise Mid South to that level by working harder which I have done since picking it up.
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And trust me guys I'm having fun, outside of the personal BS, which I'm doing my best to try and get over and not worry about any more, this is a great experience and I'm beyond thankful to be a part of it. I hope everybody understands that. I simply I'm trying to put my opinion out there if it's not going to be taken I'm completely fine with that and like I said I will shut my mouth and continue to do what I'm doing and know that this is how it's going to stand.
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I guess that's why I'm still missed on the merger idea. And this is nothing against Southwest, but who's to say that all of those guys and Dallas would directly go to Southwest while you would have the ability to go to other places like Georgia and Florida and mid-atlantic where they were showcased. That's the only reason why I push for a draft, is so that individuals can be dispersed equally rather than going to one specific promotion. When this happens, those of you that want to run territory that are smaller have the choice to pass in the draft while those of us that want to expand our rosters more then have the ability to take those talents and build up their promotion. I believe GOC has said in the past but he wants to run a small territory style promotion. If world class were to be absorbed by him he was almost losing that identity if he were to take some of those big name stars out of that promotion. He would have the choice to pass on the merger but again that is the simple fault of the system. It would be hard for me to comprehend that an individual like Bill Watts Jim Crockett or Vince McMahon wouldn't sleep in and try to buy out Kerry Von Erichs contract or Big John Studd contract. Or if that individual was working in a talent trade with somebody else that they wouldn't simply stay there if the promotion died. Again this is all just something to think about. If it is on deaf ears I will simply shut my mouth and not worry about it anymore and conclude with what I've done. I also apologize if some of this doesn't quite make sense as I am talking through my phone.
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That is true to some respect, but I want to be able to build my promotion up to that level. We all know that Bill Watts wanted to expand. I simply want to do the same thing. I know that it's going to be difficult to try and account trades after all this is said and done because people Harbor rough feelings. Anyone who has dealt with me can simply understand that am fair and trustworthy. I simply want the ability for my promotion to grow vertically.
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My goal is not to have to switch promotions in order for that to happen though. My goal is to build MidSouth up so that it could become a promotion of that size. What we are saying is that the only way for that to happen is for the promotion in front of me to go down. That's my only frustration I don't want to have to hope that goc goes away that I can have a bigger promotion. That is not very cooperative in my opinion. I simply want to be able to build MidSouth.
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I apologize for taking up everyone's time. This conversation continues to go in circles. I will simply continue to do what I'm doing. Ice just wanted to do things a notch above what we're doing currently. It doesn't seem as though there's any vertical growth as we continue to use lateral movements.
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I cannot express it any more clearly that you guys use the term mega roster. I don't want a mega roster. I simply want a roster that would be one level up from what I currently have. I would hardly call that mega. I am NOT simply putting on shows for my own benefit this would be a way to hold a bigger shows for bigger markets. It's hard for me to believe that the Superdome is the equivalent of a big show in Vancouver. It is hard for me to believe that MSG get the exact same kind of guys that would come in Memphis. I guess I am wrestling every feather I can by wanting more out of this then simply just running a small territory and for that I guess I have to apologize. I have that mindset of wanting to do something just a size bigger than what we're doing. I don't plan on creating a global conglomerate that runs everyone out of business. That is not my goal by any means at all. I do not need every megastar, I simply want to put together a roster of individuals that would allow me to run two house shows a day that would allow me to put on shows bigger than what I have right now.
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Hence my push for that exact part of the game to change. If it if falling on deaf ears and there's no way for that to happen, just let me know. In my opinio, this project would be better with promotions at different levels rather than everyone the same. Some of us do more and there should be a silver lining for that.
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I'm happy with the roster with mid south, but I want it to grow and that isn't possible unless GOC quits. I don't like that rule. Plain and simple. If this is how it is going to be and I get to add a guy who has some decency once a month then the long term plans for this seem kind of odd. I only get something decent if I get lucky in the random order even though I put forth more effort than others yet my growth is hindered upon a random draw or GOC quitting. There is literally no reason for me to work on as hard as I have been knowing that my promotion will not grow. That's my issue. I want more people on my roster to put on more shows. That's as simple as I can put it.
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Why is that though if I have shown I can?
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So essentially, if Parv leaves, and were to hand off WWF to me to run along with Mid South and I worked out a deal with you to have those specific guys come in and do work when needed, would it be acceptable for us to have a working agreement with talent?
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There are a couple of promotions running shows with massive rosters but only running a few matches on their cards, those guys not being used or planned to be used should be released. I completely agree. I have my jobbers on my end, and while I have them, it is almost like stockpiling for when I am able to expand and then use them. Don Kent isn't a huge star, but could be utilized as a gatekepper.
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I agree with the free agent thing, I guess we simply don't have enough people to pick from. I will check in with the guys I had interested tonight and see where they stand. I know they were up a couple of weeks ago but as we all know, things simmer. We can converse about the WWF situation when it arises.
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I think we are on different sides of the fence in the word "growth." For me, I would like to have my company grow by 5-10 workers so that I can run two house shows a day. I have Louisiana, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Mississippi, and Houston to run with only one group of workers. I want to be able to work more towns with more people. I am not set on taking over Texas or Georgia or Alabama, those types of things don't mean as much to me as keeping the towns I have and making sure I can run them more than once every two-three months. Obviously I run Ok City, New Orleans, and Shreveport once everyone three weeks. I do Houston once every two weeks. I want to build up my ability to do that. I want to take my TV out of just 3 towns and run it in a big cycle and not limit the exposure in those places. Having a limited roster size doesn't allow me to do that. What your saying (I think) is growth equals places that you run. For me, growth is how many people I run a place with. I am not trying to hinder someone from joining by any means. If they will be a productive member of the group, it would be great to have some people who are willing to contribute to not just shows but feedback and conversation. If I am allowed to run the two promotions, if someone were to want to pick one of them up, I would have no problem in working out a way to split everything up and make it work. That isn't an issue for me as long as there is communication and people are willing to work. I would love to take someone under my wing and help them with the writing. It would be an awesome way to DEVELOP writers rather than throw them into the fire, which is what happened here with a majority of people who struggle to keep up in my opinion.
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Or someone picks up the towns? Example, Georgia goes to a draft, we split Georgia between Alabama and Mid Atlantic? Another option for sure. Kind of what Montreal and Toronto did with the Maritimes. Yeah, I mean if a promotion had of closed in 1983, someone would pick up the towns and the TV. But we are saying that if a company knowingly wants to, it cannot "sell" its promotion to another? If Parv were to bow out and WWF were to become mine, I would run two separate promotions. That isn't difficult for me as you have seen over the past month. Both products are working without hesitation while some are struggling to get going. Nothing against anyone, but I have shown that I can do this without any issues when it comes to booking and telling the stories. In regards to plans of how to run both promotions, I would be more than happy to lay out what that would look like and how it would be not only fun and effective for me, but also for the group as a whole as a way to evolve this project. And in regards to the allegations of how I have run the WWF, like Parv stated, it would be customary for a new booker to bring in talent. When it comes to the talent, Tommy Rogers was booked way back in July and when I got him in a trade I honored that deal and made the best of it with Bobby Fulton his partner. Ted Dibiase was on the books back in July and I honored that deal, same goes for Junkyard Dog. Tiger Chung Lee went on because Mid South has Tuesdays off and since he was a partner with Fuji, it would be only fitting they'd do the same. I did bring in Wrestling II and the Samoans for one shot simply due to getting comfortable with the booking, for that I guess I have to apologize. The WWF is currently very reliant on outside workers like Savage and Dory and Bockwinkel, so in reality, nothing major has changed with the way it was booked. In regards to new guys, I am all for them picking up and taking dead promotions, but I just want to urge that we look into possibly developmental territories under a current owners guise in order to help develop new writers rather than throw them to the fire. That's something I'd like to do with my proposal earlier in the post and 2 promotions. My last point would be growth. I know it is a territory system that we have and while that is great, I don't see why we have to hinder overall growth for those of us that want it. We keep talking about reality and such, well the WWF took over promotions in 1984, they became bigger. Crockett did the same thing. Watts did the same thing. I said I don't want to take over the world, I just want to size up one level and run a bigger promotion than I currently am. I think my work has proven I can do that, I just want to make sure it is a possibility with what we have in place.
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Mid South Wrestling on Tour Sept. 1983
Mid South Wrestling from the Civic Center in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma {Mid South Wrestling opens to a nice little package showcasing some of the big stars of Mid South. We then cut to Jim Ross and Bill Watts at ringside!} Jim Ross: Welcome everyone to Mid South Wrestling! I am Jim Ross alongside Cowboy Bill Watts and fans we have got a huge night of action. Bill, when fans see this broadcast, a few short hours later, we will be coming to them from the SuperDome and lemme tell ya, that card is going to be something special! Bill Watts: I have helped put together a number of Superdome cards Jim Ross, but never before have I seen anything like this. Jim: Fans lets run down the card for you real quick and talk about what we have in store for you here tonight. MAIN EVENT NORTH AMERICAN CHAMPIONSHIP DOG-COLLAR MATCH LOSER LEAVES TOWN MATCH The Junkyard Dog vs Ted Dibiase © MID SOUTH TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP Bruiser Brody & Stan Hansen vs The Wild Samoans © w/ The Grand Wizard NWA CANADIAN CHAMPIONSHIP Rick Martel © vs Don Muraco w/ The Grand Wizard NWA MINI WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP Cowboy Lang vs Little Tokyo © ThunderBolt Patterson vs The Sheik The Fantastics vs The German Destroyers Mr. Wrestling II vs ‘Cowboy’ Scott Casey Bill: Jim lemme tell ya, we still have some time and you know anything could happen, but tonight we will find out who will be staying around Mid South and who will be leaving. Jim: Will it be the Junkyard Dog or will it be Ted Dibiase? Tonight we are going to find out. Fans tonight we’ve got four great matches signed and we will hear from Scott Casey, Mr. Wrestling II, NWA Canadian Champion Rick Martel and the Fantastics all on their encounters this evening, right now though it is time to head to the ring! Tiger Jackson vs Little Tokyo {A pretty good showcase for Little Tokyo. Ross and Watts put over the NWA Mini World Title contest against Cowboy Lang for Tokyo who is pretty ruthless in the ring. He finishes off Jackson with a nasty brainbuster type suplex for the 1…2…3! He holds up the NWA Mini Title as Ross and Watts say he will have to do a little more tonight if he wants to keep the gold. We then cut to a taped interview from Wrestling II and Scott Casey} Scott Casey: Well tonight is the night there Mr. Wrestling II. I always thought that was the stupidest name in wrestling. I look around at the guys you’ve wrestled in Mid South and I just laugh. You have never been in the ring with someone as tough as myself and you’re going to find that out the hard way tonight. I am letting you know right now, the door is open, you can walk your yellow belly right back from where you came because there’s no way you are coming out of this match with that mask! Mr. Wrestling II: Lemme tell you something Scott Casey. I have had to sit back and listen to what you say and it couldn’t make me sicker. You are a man with no respect and I guess I am the one who is going to have to make you understand how things happen here in Mid South. Now you want to take this mask… (Wrestling II rips it off ala Mil Mascaras to have another one on…) you can have it. I have got a mask for everyday of the week and come tonight, I am going to leave you with a mask. A mask of crimson. *COMMERCIAL* {Mid South Wrestling returns with Jim Ross and Bill Watts joined by The Grand Wizard, Don Muraco, and the Wild Samoans…} Jim: Thank you for joining us gentlemen. I must say, you look awful excited about your match against Stan Hansen and Bruiser Brody tonight. Grand Wizard: Ross… I couldn’t be happier! You see… right here… I have the two most dangerous, two most vicious, and two craziest wrestlers in the world. On top of that… they have the tag team titles… and I control them! Then right here… I have got the future Mid South Television Champion… the Magnificent One… Don Muraco! Bill: Well he’s going to have to do a little bit more. He’s behind by 10 points in my book right now on Wrestling II. Don Muraco: You listen to me Watts. You can take those points and shove it… when I face Wrestling II… I am going to put him down and then I am going to raise up that title! Bill: Well you are going to have to do something, because he is gunning for you! Grand Wizard: That’s what you think Watts. You see Don Muraco is not worried about Wrestling II… you see tonight he has got a chance to win his first of TWO TITLES! Rick Martel… you have made a LONG trip to New Orleans but it is going to be an even longer trip back! Muraco: Yeah Martel… perhaps baggage claim will be easier… you won’t have to check in that title. HAHA! Grand Wizard: Bill Watts… you always try to find these competitors to come in and fight those who don’t follow your rules… well Rick Martel is someone who is going to find out the hard way that you don’t mess with the Magnificent One! Bill: Well you may feel that way, but I know for a fact that he feels differently… in fact… hear it from him! Rick Martel: All week I have had to listen to people tell me about what a dirty, rotten, piece of garbage you are Don Muraco! I cannot tell you the disdain I have for how you have talked and the things you’ve said about me. When I come to the Superdome, I am coming to defend this NWA Canadian Heavyweight Championship. This is one of the most prestigious championships in all of wrestling and you… you don’t deserve it nor do you deserve a shot by the way you’ve acted. But I am more than willing to put it all on the line and there is no way you will come out the winner because you are a LOSER! Grand Wizard: HAHA! This goof really things he has what it takes to beat the Magnificent One? I cannot wait to see the look on his face and all the faces of all the goofs out there watching. Then… when Muraco brings that title back to me, we are going to put it right next to the Mid South Tag Team Championships and Watts… you can bring in whomever you want but none of them can hold a candle to my Samoans! Bill: Well we’re going to get a little preview of that right now aren’t we!? Stan Hansen vs Afa w/ The Grand Wizard {A very explosive contest from the get go. We know that Brody and Sika are here but they were ushered back by security. These guys go about 6-minutes and no one is pulling anything back. There are some STIFF shots. The Grand Wizard tries to get control of Afa but he is in his own world with Hansen. They take the fight outside the ring and Afa throws him into the ringpost. Hansen hit hard as Watt and Ross put over a possible change in the momentum. Afa then runs but Hansen moves and he cracks his head off the ringpost! Hansen pulls that elbow pad up and runs at the post but Afa moves and Hansen destroys his arm off the ringpost! The referee counts to 10 as the bell rings! Hansen is down as Sika runs back out and he and Afa are going right after that shoulder! The crowd erupts when Brody runs out as the Samoans back off. Grand Wizard is all smiles and there’s no telling what will happen here. Will Hansen be able to go at the Superdome?} *COMMERCIAL* {Mid South Wrestling returns with a nice little promo from the Fantastics as it shows them trying on new suits to “Sharp Dressed Man.” They put over their match tonight with the German Destroyers and say that they may be dressed nice, but tonight, they are coming for a fight!} Jim: Fans we are back and we can tell you that Stan Hansen has been taken to the hospital. We are unsure of his condition. Bill: Well he hit that post about as hard as I have ever seen. We know how dangerous that Lariat can be but with his arm in that condition, there’s no telling what could happen. Jim: Fans we will try to update you when we can. Bill we saw a little bit from the Fantastics there… tonight they take on the Destroyers… what could a victory mean for either of these teams? Bill: I think it is pretty clear that the winner of this contest could be next in line for a tag team title shot. But who knows who the champions will be? Jim: I have to agree there. I am looking forward to that contest tonight. Another contest I am looking forward too is this next one. Fans the Tonga Kid is coming in from the Carolinas, he has got a ton of talent but tonight he takes on Tiger Chung Lee… let’s head to the ring! Tonga Kid vs Tiger Chung Lee w/ Tojo {Tiger Chung Lee doesn’t seem impressed with the Tonga Kid but these two go right after one another and it seems as though Tiger has got a score to be settled. Tojo is outside the ring riling up the crowd and Tonga is taking a moment to get things going but once he does the pace is turned up. Tonga is flying all around the ring with some big strikes and a pair of huge dropkicks. Tonga then goes for a flying headbutt but Tiger Chung Lee with a mafia kick right in the throat! Tonga goes down hard but Tiger is hurting too. He stumbles for a moment and he is looking to do something else as he picks up Tonga but Kid comes from behind and pulls him over with a backslide for the 1….2….3!! Tonga has won it and he rolls out of the ring! The crowd goes apeshit! Tonga is holding his throat but Tiger is looking for revenge!} *COMMERCIAL* Jim: Fans we are back… Tojo Yammamota, what in the world is going on here? Tojo: This is tragedy. This is garbage. We want him again! Bill: Listen pal, your boy lost… plain and simple! Tojo: Oh you Mr. Watts… you bring in all comers for my Tiger Chung Lee. You bring Tonga to Superdome…we will make sure he does not come out alive! Bill: I will run it by him… but I am guessing he’ll be there! {Tojo and Tiger back off as Watts and Ross put it over.} Jim: Fans I don’t think we need to explain how important this contest is tonight with the Junkyard Dog and Ted Dibiase. Tonight the North American Title is on the line. Tonight the loser must leave Mid South. And tonight, both men are going to be locked together by a Dog Collar! Bill: There is so much, but people gotta understand. Thee two men have such an issue being around one another. We’ve seen Dibiase go to so many lengths to try and beat the Dog. Tonight he’ll have nowhere to run and nowhere to hide! Jim: Fans we know both men will stop at nothing, but they have to make it to the Superdome first… right now they are in six-man action… let’s go to the ring! MAIN EVENT Junkyard Dog, Bruiser Brody, & ThunderBolt Patterson vs Ted Dibiase, The Sheik, & Don Muraco {What a main event. We have got so many intertwining stories going into this one. We get a fun start with Muraco and Brody. It then turns a little more vicious with Sheik and ThunderBolt. Watts and Ross put over how these two guys had a skirmish backstage tonight when they arrive and look forward to that battle tonight. Watts then announces that the Tonga Kid is going to face Tiger Chung Lee tonight. The crowd then explodes as the JYD and Dibiase get their hands on one another. These two guys are throwing some huge rights and lefts and the fans oooh and aaah with each shot. Dibiase is quick to get out as television time is running down. We have got just moments left. Brody with a huge kick on the Sheik sending him out of the ring to the floor. ThunderBolt them comes out and we’ve got some stiff shots. Inside the ring Dibiase runs with a cross body but JYD catches him and they go through the ropes. Brody then catches Muraco with a BODYSLAM and he runs for the flying knee drop!! The bell rings though as Pee Wee Anderson watches Dibiase CRACK JYD with a chair outside the ring! Brody had Muraco pinned inside the ring! Dibiase gets on top of JYD and he is busting him in the skull with right hands! Brody and Patterson attempt to check on him. Fans it is going to go down tonight in the SuperDome… who will survive… will it be DIBIASE OR THE JYD!?!?}
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Mid South Wrestling on Tour Sept. 1983
9/23 Mid South Wrestling Live from the Civic Center in Little Rock, Arkansas DOUBLE CHANCE CARNAGE Sweet Daddy Siki & ThunderBolt Patterson defeated Israel Matia & Jerry Brown Ted Dibiase & Mr. Wrestling II defeated Pete Sanchez & Don Kent Baron Von Raschke & Sika defeated Mark Savage & Afa Don Muraco & Bobby Fulton defeated Mad Dog Boyd & Kurt Von Hess Robert Reed & Tiger Chung Lee defeated Tommy Rogers & Raul Castro El Bracero & The Junkyard Dog defeated Mike Reed & Burrhead Jones DOUBLE CHANCE BATTLE ROYAL Ted Dibiase won the Double Chance Battle Royal by last eliminating the Junkyard Dog when Don Muraco distracted the JYD!
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Alabama Wrestling Alliance
Pretty good stuff to open up here with Kev. My biggest advice would be to look at your formatting. Check out other shows and see "how" they are written and presented and try to incorporate your own style in there. I know there are some page breaks that have loosened up through this post so just double check when all is said and done. Find a way for the matches to pop out rather than blend in with the rest. In terms of the booking, very good stuff and it is good to keep some continuity and hear some promos from some of the guys working. Solid start and something to build off of nicely.
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WWF results and recaps
9/22 - WWF Live from White Plains, New York Blackjack Lanza defeated Dominic Denucci Jack Brisco defeated Mr. Fuji Billy Robinson defeated Arn Anderson MAIN EVENT INTERCONTINENTAL CHAMPIONSHIP Ricky Steamboat defeated Ole Anderson 9/23 - WWF Live from Johnsonville, New York Jack Brisco defeated Blackjack Lanza Mil Mascaras defeated The Sheik WWF TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP Bob Backlund & Billy Robinson defeated The Anderson via DQ MAIN EVENT Andre the Giant defeated Abdullah the Butcher
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Mid South Wrestling on Tour Sept. 1983
9/22 Mid South Wrestling Live from the Civic Center in Tulsa, Oklahoma The German Destroyers defeated Sweet Daddy Siki & Burrhead Jones Tiger Chung Lee defeated El Bracero Don Muraco defeated ThunderBolt Patterson MID SOUTH TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP The Fantastics defeated the Wild Samoans via DQ when the Grand Wizard interferred 2/3 FALLS Ted Dibiase defeated Mr. Wrestling II MAIN EVENT The Junkyard Dog defeated Abdullah the Butcher in a lights out match. Abdullah couldn’t answer the 10-count when JYD knocked him out with the dog chain!