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Exactly... you backed out on deals and I am the one who is the bad guy in all of this for calling you out on it. In regards to what is going on here, this model stifles you until someone else gets out of the way. In this case it is Goc and I already have issues due to his behavior which is counter productive to wanting to just stay around until he goes away. That is not how it works, a company should be able to rise up if it's outdoing a bigger company. I have proven that with my productivity and work on the project by even doubling production and picking up the WWF this month and not faltering one bit.

I don't want to "take over the world" I simply want to build to a cult/national promotion. Drafts allow that. The merger system does not unless the person in front of you goes down. I don't plan on working with Goc in any way. Whether it would be a battle working with or against one another. Plain and simple, I can't trust him when he backed out on deals with me for wrestlers and with Houston. We've gone through it over and over. Look at his profile and signature, I don't see any kind of positive in allowing that behavior to go continue and like I said, he is part of this game and I would do my best to have no deals with him. I am sure he will have something topical to say in return, but there is no more truth that what was just typed. With the way you have it set up, I am just waiting for him to quit in order for me to grow which isn't productive.

Okay, with that clarification and some of the other issues that have been public on here, I will finish out the month then for the WWF and Mid South and see where it stands. I understand the idea of "long term booking" and yes I have played this game before, but I am not big on how minimal and tedious growth is with this model.

Okay, but still, the only way for my roster to grow is for the promotion in front of me to go down, so there is little to no chance that I will be able to build into a cult or national style with 30 or so workers on the roster given this scenario that has been laid out. I want to be able to run two house shows a day and not have a "mega" roster but definitely have something similar to a WWF/JCP/Mid South 1984-86 feel with some great talents and building blocks. This model doesn't allow for that to happen.

Okay, so after all this discussion, the only way to get an actual influx of new talent instead of just our monthly drafts of getting 1 or maybe 2 people is to have the promotion in front of you go down and absorb it? There is no way we will be doing any drafts or anything?

In this instance though, if Mid South wasn't picked up or taken it would merge with Georgia which would allow the roster pick ups and such is what I am saying. My stance, as stated earlier is that I want a bigger roster and want to make sure it is done the right way with no loopholes. The current barriers prohibit that from happening so I want to try and figure out a way to get out of this what I'd like in order to continue and be successful.

So at this point, I could take over Georgia, merge it with Mid South, create my ideal roster, and be run as GCW?

I don't think anything has been "constantly" changed, but with this current scenario, a precedent should be set and agreed upon by those who are still willing and committed to the overall production of the project. Like Dawho said, we won't all be happy with this outcome but there has to be some sort of mutual ground. The interesting notion would be how it would be handled if an individual, like for instance Goc took over WCCW instead, would his Southwest Roster be absorbed into Mid South then? Would Alabama go backwards in the order and take over Georgia what would happen to his roster he's accumulated?

Outside of Houston, New Orleans, and Oklahoma City, I could care less about towns.

. That would be my steer as we've used this process before, and is the most realistic no? I don't think it is as realistic as it has been sold to the public. I am all for a draft due to the same reasons El Boricua doesn't want to take the Florida guys. It is no secret that I want to expand and these parameters do not allow for that and in all reality limit our ability to grow unless the person in front of us dies. No offense to Goc, but he is staying around with Southwest, so therefore something tragic would have to happen in order for me to ever get than influx of talent to make my promotion grow, which limits why I would want to keep going in the first place. I want to build a roster and create a cult/nationalized style much like the WWF, Crockett, and Watts did in the mid 80s but this doesn't allow that to happen. If we are putting forth that talent will never be drafted, I would rethink my stance and what the future would hold. I am not taking my ball and going home, but simply stating that if I am not allowed to grow (outside of numerous talent trades, which we have seen become ineffective due to inactivity), I don't see the overall purpose of continuing. Much like the REAL world did if we look at things in that sense, the individuals who did the most got the most, Vince and Crockett made the most money and picked up the talent they wanted to grow regardless of where they were geographically. This is also very true, wouldn't you pick up WCCW? I wouldn't because Goc is in line for Dallas and I am in line for San Antonio. If Goc were to pass then I would, but there in lies the entirety of the issue with someone having to give up in order for another to get something which isn't the easiest line to cross.

. That would be my steer as we've used this process before, and is the most realistic no? I don't think it is as realistic as it has been sold to the public. I am all for a draft due to the same reasons El Boricua doesn't want to take the Florida guys. It is no secret that I want to expand and these parameters do not allow for that and in all reality limit our ability to grow unless the person in front of us dies. No offense to Goc, but he is staying around with Southwest, so therefore something tragic would have to happen in order for me to ever get than influx of talent to make my promotion grow, which limits why I would want to keep going in the first place. I want to build a roster and create a cult/nationalized style much like the WWF, Crockett, and Watts did in the mid 80s but this doesn't allow that to happen. If we are putting forth that talent will never be drafted, I would rethink my stance and what the future would hold. I am not taking my ball and going home, but simply stating that if I am not allowed to grow (outside of numerous talent trades, which we have seen become ineffective due to inactivity), I don't see the overall purpose of continuing. Much like the REAL world did if we look at things in that sense, the individuals who did the most got the most, Vince and Crockett made the most money and picked up the talent they wanted to grow regardless of where they were geographically.

While we are on this topic, I would also like to ask about us who are active switching promotions. Since there are open promotions, wouldn't those of us running a promotion have the ability to to swap promotions and switch if we wanted?

So are we staying that there is no disposal draft of this town and that the individuals to pick them up will be able to keep all the original town, and if the promotion is not pick up it wouldn't be merge into the next promotion?

So in reality, the new guys would have a choice of Georgia, Florida, ICW, and World Class (and WWA if they don't respond)? Would they choose 5 guys from that current roster to keep and then the rest to the mega draft? Then they would build their rosters from that? Or Would it be if someone wanted to take over, would they get the roster as is? Then whomever isn't picked (The other two promotions) get merged in line or into a mega draft?

As if this is the reason why we have issues. Get over yourself. Yes. No one else had to pass any kind of test to become a booker here. As far as I can recall you didn't have any posts outside of shilling your podcast before you started this project. That's true and while I did serve as a booker for MACW and backed up my credibility with information from another board, along with knowing Grimmas and others, I can see your point. However since I have been here, I have posted consistently and been a productive member of the group and attempted to help move things forward than go backwards. Like I said, it was simply an opinion... you state yours over and over and while I disagree with you vehemently on most everything, you are entitled to it. I have tried to settle our differences through PM but you have blocked and ignored and continue to make them public. You continue to be passive aggressive with your signatures and other issues that you bring up. You have simply ceased being productive in my eyes towards this project which is weird because there is history of you posting about how individuals should only have 30 days yet you retract those statements now. My simple reason for what I said was that due to my history of doing this and running a project like this is that people come and go and it is good to get them hooked in before moving forward. With the individuals being new members, it is simply a precaution to prevent scenarios such as the one we have one right now with inactive and defunct promotions. I think we are moving away from what the issue is. Can we move back to that, some promotions are inactive, Georgia and Florida, lets create a poll for how we dissolve them or give them to others. 4 options I see... - Territory take over as per we have done twice before. Ill likely take the people i want from Georgia (Which isnt many) and then give up a portion of my new joined territory to kevinmcfl as he has been very forthcoming in PM's around running Alabama for me. - Two new guys get to pick 5 wrestlers each for either promotion they choose and then we draft then we go into a draft with everyone left. - The two new guys have to prove themselves, kevinmcfl is in my Alabama development, 4 weeks enough to prove it? - The two new guys get to choose either Florida or Georgia and go from there. These are good options. I think the developmental system is a great idea and if you can run with it for the time being it works. We'd just need to figure out where the other guy could do his development. I would happily offer some guys from Mid South if some of the other locals around the area could for a developmental project for 3-4 weeks. I am on board with the new guys taking 5 total players from the board and the rest being drafted as well.

I am not by any word King of the project but by doing this for the past 7 years, I'd like to think I have some good input, whether you like it or not. I simply stated my opinion and you didn't like it. You have been rude and disrespectful to me and others and that is who you are and it is frustrating that we have other things to work on here but you continue to delineate the conversation towards your attention. Please stop.

Yes. No one else had to pass any kind of test to become a booker here. As far as I can recall you didn't have any posts outside of shilling your podcast before you started this project. That's true and while I did serve as a booker for MACW and backed up my credibility with information from another board, along with knowing Grimmas and others, I can see your point. However since I have been here, I have posted consistently and been a productive member of the group and attempted to help move things forward than go backwards. Like I said, it was simply an opinion... you state yours over and over and while I disagree with you vehemently on most everything, you are entitled to it. I have tried to settle our differences through PM but you have blocked and ignored and continue to make them public. You continue to be passive aggressive with your signatures and other issues that you bring up. You have simply ceased being productive in my eyes towards this project which is weird because there is history of you posting about how individuals should only have 30 days yet you retract those statements now. My simple reason for what I said was that due to my history of doing this and running a project like this is that people come and go and it is good to get them hooked in before moving forward. With the individuals being new members, it is simply a precaution to prevent scenarios such as the one we have one right now with inactive and defunct promotions.

I know there's some frustration there and I can say that if we do the dispersal draft and allow people to expand who want to, I am all in to continue running. I know I have deals and plans through to the new year and want to see them come to fruition. Also, with a "draft" per say, we could continue to build that free agent list for individuals to find work and be booked through the developmental in Alabama and one I would like to open in the future.

Mid south Wwf Macw Maple Leaf Awa Stampede Southeast Southwest Vancouver Memphis Puerto Rico Are all in Georgia Florida Are out WWA, Icw & world class have yet to respond unless I missed something. And I have to edit this, WWA hasn't responded on here so I want to make sure he's in even though he just posted a couple of days ago.

If we do a draft an are able to expand our rosters and overall promotion size - (TEW - regional to cult) I would be all about opening up some type of developmental promotion. I think it would be a great project.

Much like when i took over Mid South - if the promotion gets absorbed hopefully that person who took control would agree with those deals. I would think the same thing if we were to go with a draft (HOPEFULLY) and whomever took over that person would also adhere to the plan set in place. For the most part, I think there are some of us who can be trustworthy with these kinds of things so it shouldn't be an issue.

I will express my opinion one more time... one big re-shuffle draft. Put everyone from these promotions into a draft and let us go through it like we did with the initial draft. The merger idea is good but this is an option to appease most. With the draft, you have the choice not to draft anyone, but those of us who are looking to expand simply can't due to the parameters that have been set. In regards to the two new people, are we okay with giving them bigger rosters after not necessarily showcasing their talents? No offense to the new dudes, but with less that 5 posts between the two of them, I would be on the end of wanting to see something before handing over a promotion and big rosters. I like Boon's idea of the having them possibly book Alabama to see how that works. Perhaps others are in the mode of co-bookers like I did with Beast and what happened in the AWA until things get worked out. Again, nothing personal, simply food for thought.

I know we've had some discussion about consistency... and you've been a model promoter here with Memphis. You've got a fun group of individuals to work with and with the King on top, all the other pawns if you will fall into place. I particularly would like to see more of the Big Cat, but the Mid South in me continues to bleed through. I am also interested to see some teams come in against the RnR and how they will be utilized much like the RoadWarriors of the AWA. Keep doin work!

I know you may be a little behind but it seems like you changed your schedule up and it looks to be working. Like beast said, you've got a great influx of talent and it is just a matter of time before everyone finds the right spot on your roster. It is a promotion like yours that makes me want to see more of it and look forward to what you've got coming in the future. Keep doin work!

The consistency of your product has allowed me to get invested in some of these people that I had never heard of weeks ago. Much like I said with Boon, you are taking the Territory system and using it the right way and while I don't know Canada all that well, this promotion seems to be building int he right direction. The tag team divsion is a showcase of some of the best in the world and not just the Rougeaus and MXE, there is a lot going on in Montreal. Keep doin work.