El McKell

This was exactly my point I think using the average score out of all ballots turned in not just ballots each wrestler appear on would be the best way it accounts for no only the wrestlers average ranking but also their overall standing with all voters sure it may be unfair to some wrestlers from underrepresented regions but, the voting in general isn't set up to protect for that as is because balloting isn't segregated into voting regions/blocks ala WON HOF voting. If you use average score of all ballots you will end up with a tie again. if both wrestlers got say 200 points and you divide that by the total number of ballots the tie will not be broken

The 'Mark from Peep Show' vibe. Holy shit that is so accurate.

I second this, when I was like 16 or 17 I found an old LP of squeeze's greatest hits that my mam had and it was just so awesome. If you aren't gonna check out the full best of at least listen to Up The Junction. Anyway as far as best single disc greatest hits collection of wrestlers not making my ballot, probably Roderick Strong or Toshiyo Yamada or if Austin Aries ends up not making the cut it'd be him.

I think that it should be whoever appears on the most ballots largely because we have opted for a system that potentially undervalues simply appearing on a ballot, because there are so few points for being at the bottom of a ballot despite the fact that it means a wrestler is being ranked ahead of more than 500 other nominees.

Dean Allmark was nominated

Wait what? I should've paid more attention to the Tag Team Nominees, this is a travesty of justice.

I'm not great at self-reflection but I think I sorta came to a realization about what makes a great wrestler to me that is similar to what supremebve is talking about above. If it seems like a wrestler is doing the right thing but the match as a whole isn't enhanced by it, I'm pretty sure it's not actually worth anything. If it seems like they're doing the wrong thing but it doesn't hurt my enjoyment of the match then it wasn't really the wrong thing. How good the end product is is what matters to me not so much the process. This doesn't mean simply saying A had better matches than B and therefore is a better wrestler because I have been thinking about the opportunity to have good matches, mostly in terms of the quality of opponents but also in terms of length and positioning of the match. This has sorta turned into a ramble about what criteria am I using to form my list. Who knows what I really learned, if anything.

Well maybe this has been proved wrong, I like Jimmy and El McKell. You shouldn't, Ted DiBiase isn't in my 100 greatest wrestlers ever.

There's no way in hell I could choose anything other than post 1996, how can I decide to rule out all future matches, especially when much of the stuff considered the absolute best is stuff I've already seen. If I had to choose between watching stuff pre 2016 or 2016 onward I would choose 2016 onward.

​The El Generico match from Chikara's King of Trios 2011

I'm not exactly sure who's missing but there are 640 threads for nominees and 639 people on the list in this thread

There did seem to be a lot more 80s AJW footage around on yotube/dailymotion a year ago, with AJW having folded you wouldn't think stuff would get taken down too quickly. I saw an insane sprint of a match between Jaguar Yokota and a very young Chigusa Nagayo on youtube over a year ago, gave it ****1/2, and I've never seen anyone talk about it anywhere nor can I find it online anymore and I'm starting to think it was some sort of hallucination.

I'm not rating Dean because I don't think he's particularly special. Who cares if he's overrated or underrated, he has no charisma/personality, his matches often feel like they don't have any sort of story, emotion or sense of escalation.

1. Kawada 2. Flair 3. Kobashi 4. Hansen 5. Misawa 6. Tenryu 7. Jumbo 8. Terry Funk 9. Jerry Lawler 10.Rey Mysterio Jr Ted DiBiase at 79th

You can't give Orton a zero for his peak. Maybe I'm crazy, but in 2011 I think was probably the second best wrestler in the world, having the best singles matches in the careers of Christian, Kane and Mark Henry.

Yeah I messed that up when nominating him because for some reason I always get it in my head that that's how his name should be. On the subject of Japanese names, I know this thread isn't for this but, why do we say Ashura Hara and Fujita Jr Hayato but reverse the name order on almost everyone else's names?

I wouldn't put JBL on my list but another really cool performance from him that hasn't been mentioned in this thread is teaming with TAKA to face Togo, Men's Teioh and Funaki at Over the Edge 1998 http://vk.com/video-57741721_166799980?list=2ea71aa5c70e9ef87f

Kevin Nash?

Tetsuya Naito: http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/25307-tetsuya-naito-vs-tomohiro-ishii-njpw-021114/ http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/32725-aj-styles-vs-tetsuya-naito-wrestle-kingdom-9/ http://www.voicesofwrestling.com/2016/01/04/njpw-wrestle-kingdom-10-review/

This would be gold, book it. Could actually be an improvement for AJ Styles' hair.

It's very possible that not all of these guys will make my list but right now they're all more likely to be on it than not. Cena, Samoa Joe, Orton, Triple H, Undertaker, Brock, Generico, AJ Styles, KENTA, Jericho, Rollins, Cesaro, Austin Aries, Shinsuke Nakamura. Does Sting count?

I'd consider him the number 1 worker since 2010. I'll probably be the high vote on Tanahashi, he's definitely in my top 10, could finish as high as 4th but probably not.

My issue is, what if they turn out like Kurt Angle and go from really good to the dirt worst? If we did this poll in 98, Shawn Michaels would be on my list. Doing it in 2016 he is not, due to his awful run post comeback. This is why I'm not voting for someone in their prime. For me, the post-prime does nothing to diminish what he achieved before that which why HBK is making my list. I'm convinced that negatives over-index in our thinking. I think the post comeback proves he was not a smart worker and relied on his athleticism. I prefer workers who play to their strengths and don't look awful, because they are dumb. The Rockers were really good and I liked his original heel DX run. Don't like him at all as a babyface outside of Rockers run. Plus, personally, I dislike the person a lot. ​But we still don't know if CM Punk and Daniel Bryan would've sucked when they're 40. Why is retiring prematurely different than still being in your prime?

I'm gonna be voting for guys in their prime I don't see what difference it makes, we just have to judge everyone based on what we've seen of them. Why does it matter that Danielson said he's retired, his career up to this point is exactly the same either way. Also, holy shit when this started CM Punk was an active wrestler, we've been doing this a long time.

It's not bonus points, it's points for different roles and styles which isn't something Misawa is gonna excel in, or Abby when I think about it but Parv's gotta give him the points for being the kinda character that had to move from territory to territory to continue to be a draw.