Wade Garrett

Cena should beat Taker at WM. Cena and Lesnar should be the only two men to have beaten Taker at WM. It sets up a match between Cena and Lesnar down the line. Cause you know they aren't finished with each other yet. They will wrestle again. Taker needs to retire the fuck off.

I agree. TLC is ridiculous in general. Shouldn't even be an event. I think they should do a fan fueled event where the fans select the matches via A vs. BCDE. WWE chooses ABCDE but the vote is legit. Do the voting post Survivor Series RAW up through the go home RAW.

I'm curious. I'm havin issues with 90-100.

I have an open invitation to watch all WWE events. I've declined. Tables, Ladders, and Chairs matches is ridiculous shit. I watched the MSG special and Japan special. I enjoyed Japan and was letdown by MSG. Then again I'm not a mark for MSG either. I watch all the WWE-NXT stuff. It's all I watch that's current. With the WWE-RAW stuff being so shitty and a lot of bitching about it occurring why would anyone waste their time with this show? Honest question. Not tryin to be a dickhead.

What does that even mean? A lot of looks work for a lot of guys. Doesn't mean it looks good or I gotta like it.

Anyone who read my introduction to the board knows I lived through the majority of this 18 up until my late 20's. The longtime JCP fans who were the backbone of the company were burnt out on Rhodes as a baby (booker) and Flair as a heel. Dusty over did it with the gimmick matches. A lot of us didn't care for a lot of the new stars and there style either. When I moved back to the Napa Valley in the Fall of 87 JCP had a shitty house in Greensboro. Problem with that is that Greensboro is a 16,000 seat arena. UICP in Chicago was about 8,500 tops. Not worth it on a monthly basis. No more then 4 times a year should it be run and realistically 3 is about right. Same thing with LA and SF. I attended JCPs first card in SF in December of 86 when I was back home for Christmas. It sold out and had a turn away crowd at the 8,500 seat Civic Center. The amazing thing is JCP TV was TBS west coast time so 3:05 on a Saturday and Worldwide on an Asian station at midnight Saturday in the SF Bay Area and they still drew. They came back in March and April 87 and couldn't break 3,000. Returned in July 87 and sold out. Less was more with markets like this. As for Philly, Baltimore, Washington. They weren't to far off the JCP base. They both drew and Baltimore was a big venue. Richmond and Norfolk were big venues. Bottom line Crockett had National TV exposure via TBS and Syndication. The business model was shifting towards pay-per-view. When you have National TV exposure and a pay-per-view model coming into place you don't need to run you can simply walk. Crockett ran. Go look at how outta whack the touring was at times. Wasn't set-up with any logic. I mentioned the JCP fans in the base not liking some of the up and comers. Well the one I remember hearing about the most was Sting. I only attended JCP cards in the Bay Area in 88 so this was coming from my Buds in the Carolinas. He had his fans. But was no where near a top draw in the JCP base and that continued when JCP sold too. The Road Warriors lost a lot of shine. Nikita Koloff lost a lot of shine. Muscleheads weren't the flavor in JCP country. JCP rose through angles with GREAT in-ring work. Which we got in the 70's and early to mid-80's constantly.

One of my 3 biggest problems with wrestling is attire. So forgiving me for ranting. Anything that's not short or long tights. I don't mind the amateur gear itself or blended with long tights. I don't mind the trunks that Lesnar sports. Guys like One Man Gang and Bam Bam Bigelow are on the cusp. Bossman looked like a turd. Undertaker looked like a turd. What has bugged me more then anything is John Cena and his 'look'. This guy is your ACE and he's running around in JEAN (Cargo)SHORTS and a fuckin BALL CAP like a frat boy. He wrestles in sneakers. He looks like a tool. He doesn't look like a World Champion/Top guy. Have you seen him in a suit? You're a multi-millionaire. Get a fuckin tailor. You can add Bray Wyatt and his crew to the list. Bray can at least remove his pants and have long tights or something. I hate the Dudley Boys and have always thought they sucked. There look sucks harder then they do. The majority of the ECW roster fits the bill. Extremely Crappy Wardrobe to go along with the Extremely Crappy Wrestling. I like Bret Harts amateur-long tight blend. But the color was awful. Pink! Fuckin Pink! Add the shitty shades and saturated stringy hair and you expect me to buy into this pony as your workhorse. Your Ace. Yeah, OK. Bret The Pinkman Hart.

Don't know where it goes or where it belongs? Happy Thanksgiving. Have a great time with your Family and Friends! Be safe. Don't be sorry. Drink up. Eat Up. Enjoy re-watching Starrcade 85. Wade Garrett

He was a WORKER. Big Horse who you'd wanna put out to stud and make other versions of to spread thru generations of rasslin. Pretty much the ultimate brawlin and bulldozin bad ass you can trust in to deliver an entertaining affair. He'll have an affair when it comes to whoopin your ass. It will be a short affair but your ass will remember it. THE BOAT!!!

They're in my Top-25. Listed it months ago. They smoke any team of the last 20 years.

I'd like to know who the fans are/were who saw Ric Flair around the horn in Crockett in the mid 70's thru early 80's? We may have met? Let's talk about Flair and his formula. Let's talk about that pre-NWA Title formula he worked.

Great question. I'd like to know who has seen what and where. My bulk is 70's and 80's. I saw shows in the 60's but don't like to hang my hat on shows I saw before I was legal behind the wheel.

The division needs a serious ass kicker. A bad ass Woman who kicks ass. Not Sasha running around with her pals or Bayley and her huggin. Not Charlotte. Not Paige. A female form that is believable and kicks some ass like Rousey does in UFC. An image that is believable. A female Goldberg.

Cesaro.

I have a question for Johnny Sorrow. Are you a helicopter Mom?

No more Hippy fans and off spring at the rasslin matches.

Flair and Anderson wrestled Reed and Simmons at Havoc 90 I believe. The Russian Daydream is right about the November Clash in 90 about the singles match with Flair.

Elimination Chamber matches. Money in the Bank/Ladder matches in general. Tables. Matches/Spots/Angles. Including announcers table. Include Kendo Sticks. Extreme Rules event/matches. Include TLC event/matches. Using the stairs for spots in or out of the ring. Broken hand, head, knee, leg angles fine. Royal Rumble match winner for a auto-shot at WM. Opening RAW with a promo. Authority figures/GMs/Guest spots. HOFers/Legends. Save it for the network. Lack of distinction between Women who are Wrestlers and Women who are Managers/Valets. Make Divas and Women Wrestlers. Smackdown as a show. Or change the fuckin name. Dated reference and always was stupid. Fuck you Rocky. Stephanie on TV. Unless it's a feature as an executive. Same for HHH. Jerry Lawler, John Layfield, and Booker T as commentators. David Otunga. Lilian Garcia and Jo Jo. The Miz as a wrestler. Adam Rose, Bubba Ray, Devon, Curtis Axel, Damien Sandow, Diego, Fernando, El Torito, Fandango, Heath Slater, Hornswoggle, Kane, Konnor, R Truth, Sin Cara, Sting, Taker, Viktor, Zack Ryder, and Rosa Mendez. (Need a new/old gimmick or gtfo: Bo Dallas and Stardust. Big Show and Mark Henry as a TAG-TEAM only).

What JYD did in Louisiana and Mississippi was fuckin mind-boggling for it's time. Especially the first half of his run. That area of Tri-States was dead on it's ass for the most part. Not to mention it wasn't an economical hot bed. He blended cultural/racial lines for one. He also drew MASSIVE TV ratings/market shares. Which in-turn drew live around the horn. He was decent enough in the ring. Combine that with his great charisma, physical presence, and promos and you have someone who trumps most. Edge was a fuckin turd compared to JYD. The JYD of then coulda stepped into the spot Edge held but as a baby and circled him in his own era. Edge wouldn't of been able to do the same. What JYD did in a NEW company in that era was fuckin difficult. Watts was great and had vision. His vision was JYD. Without him Mid-South may not of made the impact it did. Or any at all. When I lived in the territory JYD was gone. I only had the opportunity to hear my Buds in the area tell the tales in the early 80's. Sounded like place I woulda wanted to be at the time more then anywhere but JCP (where I was for the most part) or Georgia.

My list was finished a while back but not in order. A bump or two may happen but what I posted I stand by in that thread. That being said this tag-team comes along in the 70's up through the 80's in the territory days and with there style and wide variety and better opponents they woulda faced they woulda been an all-timer. Woulda been gold in All-Japan tags in the 70's and 80's. Hell even the 90's more then likely.

Dibiase is a no brainer for my list. I liked watching him on Georgia TV in real time. I really liked him in Mid-South, especially as a heel. Don't mind the All-Japan stuff. Were there better US guys there? Sure. Seen the little St. Louis stuff. The WWF stuff coulda been so much better in-ring in another company. Like JCP. Woulda preferred seeing him in JCP in 87 for sure. But that damn Million-Dollar Man shit was GOLD. That exact gimmick in JCP woulda been good enough to boot Flairs ass outta the Horsemen (turning him mega baby) replacing him with Dibiase. Overall he did enough for me In Mid-South. When I lived in the territory (New Orleans) I saw him live and each time he delivered. I'm also bias because I knew his sister for years out in the Wine Country. Had the pleasure of meeting him backstage at Superbrawl 97 in SF as well. I don't recycle through a lot of shit I've already seen. But JCP and Mid-South are the two I have/do. Dibiase is a BIG reason why.

Butch Reed is a better heel then face. I like him regardless. But a better heel. Woulda loved to have seen Reed sign with JCP (at any stage) instead of Titan and become a Horsemen instead of Luger. Hopefully getting his career back on track. I'm a big Reed fan.

I'm not to high on gimmick matches. But if it's appropriate in a feud the cyclone fence match is by far the most logical to me in most cases. It's not really to far outta the realm in regards to believability. The UFC has been using cyclone fencing for over 22yrs. so the fence would be excepted by a younger fan as well. I can get behind a no countout/dq stip. Love the original style Texas Death Match. Bull rope, Chain (Dog-Collar) , and Straps push it a little but shouldn't be about touching for corners. Just pinfall, submission, knockout. Barbed Wire is ok but better as fencing and not ropes. I can handle Lumberjack matches. But would rather not bother. Tornado tag-team matches can make sense and are bar room brawls, Battle Royals are the shits for the most part. Including the Royal Rumble. Although it's superior to the traditional Battle Royal. As for Ladders. They're fuckin ridiculous. Just to damn much suspension of disbelief. It's acrobatic-gymkata horseshit. Toss in tables and chairs and it's even worse. I understand the racecar crash appeal. Just not my thing. I except the idea of a Scaffold (Shitty gimmick as well) over a Ladder. My favorite Ladder match I ever saw (live) was Blanchard vs. Rhodes. The ladder was just there to grab the bag of cash.

That's funny. I'm having a problem getting to #100

I'm getting the feeling if the ghost of Nancy Reagan said "Just say NO to WWE" a lot would say YES to WWE. And use anyway. I get it. It's a lot of folks gateway rasslin drug. Mine was following the territories in the 70's.