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I would like my credit for being low vote on Fujita as I felt weird justifying what I thought was an insanely high vote

Yeah what's wrong with a few buddies hugging in a cage?

I really really hope I'm not high vote on Ogawa

mine is done but just realized I'm going to be so lost as to who is who now

Done but I had to find one that fit my gimmick Ospreay was under a hood once? Man, the more you learn... it's actually current they run a lucha inspired show in UK it's called Lucha Britannia a lot of UK guys work there under hoods. I don't remember exactly but it was in the bottom 50 as Parv have LowKi on the 1st episode of WTBBP

By ranked, do you mean only those who get into the top one hundred? No, I mean the lowest guy overall. So get to preppin' that Lanny Poffo avatar, Scarlet-Left. ;-) Done but I had to find one that fit my gimmick

It's a surprise to me as well with everything about his style he's not exactly a guy that fits my normal taste not to say he can't work the mat because he can and very well I might add but for my money he's the only guy I truly give big credit to based on being a great puncher there's something about the way he can work a whole match around a big punch that actually works for me.

blew away is strong but I do think ZSJ was better

It was really nice to see all the Kris Travis tributes over the weekend of shows brought a tear to my eye every time.

It was the narrative of the moment as well from people that weren't actually following the product it just some what bums me out that it is now being treated as fact.

So happy this stupid joke made it on to the list thread.

I didn't make your argument for you because my point is he was not released based on his shape your argument now is that HHH released Hero in the past because he knew he would get out of shape back on the indies? I didn't say that his shape now isn't keeping him from going back. Unless the over all model of what they are looking for in wrestlers is completely changed soon we won't be back in NXT as a wrestler.

I'm not saying it wasn't amicable but, his shape from his finally appearance on NXT was much better than it had ever been so if it was based on his shape why would they release him once he was finally showing improvement? In Hero's shoot interview after leaving he made it clear the door is open for a return and he said it was not based on his shape then shortly after on a conference call HHH mentioned a guy that "had all the talent in the world but couldn't get the WWE style" this to me is the clear cut message it doesn't matter how good you are we will cut you if we want to cut you so be humble.

I don't think this is the case at all, they pushed the shit out of him in NXT. When NXT first turned into it's own little promotion he was pushed as a top heel. They wanted him to get in shape, which let's face it wasn't unreasonable, but he somehow kept gaining weight. From what I understand they told him that the door was open for him to return if he showed a greater commitment to conditioning. Conditioning? The guy have a match that was over 2 hours just recently how much more conditioning does he need? Also he was in the best shape of his career right before he was let go so the idea that he "kept gaining weight" I see people throw around is always a head scratcher to me. Hero was an example plain and simple HHH fired Hero to show all the current and future indy guys that no matter how good you think you are that doesn't guarantee you anything because if they are going to fired Chris Hero what chance do you have? Yes the door is open to a return because at that point they can easily just say he's shown that he's matured as a worker or he's applied the lessons he learned here or really any corporate double talk bs they like to make it seem like the reason they take him back is based on anything logic.

I openly called out Parv for Lowki it's clear that BIGLAV doesn't work well for guys you are unfamiliar with and it does not account very well for intangibles. Lowki peak lasts till 2015 yet he retired multiple times over the course of this peak sure most of his retirements lasted less than a year but, since he left WWE he’s had under 30 matches per year excluding 2012’s run in NJPW which was at best average and in no way what I would call “peak work” from the man.

See ECW's deal with WWE for how little change this could cause and plus side maybe we get Ulf Herman vs Thatcher

Clearly there is an underground BIGLAV community out there. Which also reminds me that, if he'd used diversity, which could be close enough to matching what Parv wanted represented if he'd phrased it properly we could've had BIGLAD. Alas. Enjoyed the show. Big pop for "I like his opinions because they are like mine". Only one man could be #1 using BIGLAD #BigDaddy4WONHOF

Well that blew out GWE show out of the water. Wow you 2 were great really looking forward to more. Really effortless chemistry from the hosts I'd listen to their podcast regularly if it existed.

It seems everyone's argument against Evolve is to compare it to peak Gabe booked ROH which I do not contend that Evolve is better than early ROH but I'd say it's actually better than ROH was towards the end of Gabe's run as booker there. My point is to say that basically Gabe couldn't keep that up and he is smart enough to see that he needed to do something completely different to refresh his product and after his 1st failed attempt at this sports based style followed by the flash in the pan high flying trend he has came to a balance of both that is really working for him, I can see the argument about the crowds though that is to be expect with a product that has no TV. It's important to also realize current ROH and WWE have a similar problem WWE's being crowds choose to boo Roman Reigns when they know cameras are on to go against what they see as the company forcing something they don't enjoy almost playing a role for the show then on house shows cheering the guy because they don't have to keep kayfabe. On the other hand ROH crowds especially in Philly will cheer the heels including Jay Lethal on what they see as house shows and then because they support the product will boo them for TV and PPV. My point being Evolve live crowds may not think of it as a show they are being involved in as a character and thus the wrestlers need to put more focus on getting organic reactions but this is the hardest part of wrestling and always has been. What makes current Evolve possibly the most important company in wrestling today is Evolve has a chance to break the cycle of smart crowds reacting the way they think they are supposed to and getting them to actually react because it is being emotionally drawn out of them with Evolve using a more basic old school style of wrestling show it's a step backwards but still in the right direction possibly repairing the damage done by the past years of sports-entertainment.

It's matches like the trios from Mercury Rising that make me wish I could see a trio match as something special but I can't I really really enjoyed it but it feels like escapism rather than substantive art to me and I openly admit that is 100% a failing on my part.

That's what Parv is the main-man.

What is lacking in the booking to you? I ask because to my taste they have the right level of very limited realistic competition based booking that you could ask for, so much so that when they do try to add in some sports-entertainment style angles they stand out and actually feel more important because they are rare. Most of the stories and character development in done in the matches and almost everything is done in the ring in front of the live audience which for me is what wrestling really should be. Again I am curious do know what more you would like to see from Evolve booking wise and in no way am I trying question the validity for your opinion I'd just like to have better understand of what a fellow fan thinks is missing from what I see as an almost flawless product.

ZSJ showed a lot more depth and fire over the weekend but he's still need a big bloody brawl on a big stage

What I've seen from 59 was good but the stream was such trash it's hard to say for sure. Can't wait for this VOD

I nominate Nidia. She really had nothing to contribute - almost no experience, no "born into the business" pedigree, not particular attractive or charismatic. In baseball, there are 5-tool players. In wrestling, Nidia would be considered a no-tool player. ...or maybe I'm wrong. I don't think I've ever seen one of her actual matches and I don't want to change that. I don't know there was a video online and I'm pretty sure she's fine at playing with tools. Still a great nomination not sure she'd make my list because Divas have to have a focus on attractiveness and she seemed to fruitlessly try to focus on wrestling and character work but I could see her getting #1 votes from others.