Everything posted by strobogo
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Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 4
Shelton has a better WWE HOF career than a good chunk of guys inducted since 2004 based on just WWE careers. It would not be weird or out of line at all for a guy with as many IC/US/tag title reigns as him would eventually be inducted. But I'm still gonna rage when Dolph Ziggler gets into the HOF.
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Is Impact* the best wrestling promotion in history? *(Now TNA again, 2024)
I would definitely not expect any of those people except maybe Chelsea Green to be on Slammiversary.
- The Barbarian
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Norman Smiley
Every UWF show was on the various archive google drives for a couple of years so I'm sure that stuff is still pretty easy to find. In fact: User Account (archive.org) I've seen most of his UWF work and while it's much different to what you got out of him in WCW, he wasn't exceptional in that style or company and it probably wouldn't change your opinion of him all that much unless you truly have only seen him in WCW 2000.
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Is Impact* the best wrestling promotion in history? *(Now TNA again, 2024)
FinJuice/Good Brothers themes back to back might be the two worst entrance themes I've ever heard in a single match. I'm unreasonably annoyed that they kept talking up like there's never been a champion vs champion match when Don Callis is explicitly aping Heenan/Bockwinkel stuff and Bock himself was involved in multiple champion vs champion matches, and there were also plenty of AWA vs NWA and NWA vs WWWF matches not involving him.
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Ted DiBiase
Idk if they are "classics" or not but Boss Man vs Hogan cagematch Boss Man vs Barbarian at the Rumble Boss Man vs Mr. Perfect at WM Boss Man vs Bam Bam at the Rumble Wanna say there was a real solid Ted vs Boss Man match either on MSG or MLG show
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Ted DiBiase
As I mentioned before, the Macho/DiBiase match on the SNME right before WM4 is basically that match exactly except much better for various reasons, including a much hotter crowd and two guys that hadn't had 3 other matches in the night even if they were short. There were FIFTEEN matches before DiBiase/Savage at WM. There was no energy left for anyone or anything by that point. Miserable show.
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Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 4
Brock vs Otis has been ruined because Bianca could easily carry Otis around on her shoulders so why should I be impressed if Brock can throw him
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Genichiro Tenryu
Tenryu has matches with all those guys, but even early into his career his best matches are with Jumbo. And I mean as an opponent. Tenryu has quite a few matches teaming with or against Billy Robinson, Dory, The Von Erichs, Baba, Brody, Hansen, Flair, etc in his first couple of years. He rarely pulls it all together but there's definitely an extra gear he gets even in his earliest days when in the ring against Jumbo.
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Terry 'Bam Bam' Gordy
This is exactly how I'd sum him up as well, and while my hatred of all things Michael Hayes makes me hold their association against Gordy, I actually think I find him more engaging in America even often with lesser talent. I think he was a guy who really vibed off the crowd energy and so a couple hundred rabid rednecks got him more amped up than 10-13k of engaged but not ravenous Japanese people.
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Genichiro Tenryu
I lol every time at how weak Tenryu's powerbomb looks in the 80s. But each year it gets a little stiffer or at least not as hilariously gentle. His shoulder breaker he was doing for much of the same time in the early to mid 80s looks far more brutal. He takes quite a while to really start to find himself, which is kind of interesting considering his longevity and also how quickly someone like Jumbo go it. Even deep into the 80s, Tenryu from time to time seems completely lost and hesitant but also it doesn't matter at all. That's a major point in his favor because most wrestlers you'd really dock heavily for stuff like that but no one seems to mind at all with Tenryu.
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Goldberg
I don't know about this. Certainly not Sting post Bladerunners when he dropped some of the bulk. I would also probably argue that Nikita seemed like he had more potential and skills to be great right from the start and also delivered on it more than Goldberg, but much different eras and working styles. Although I believe Nikita was Goldberg's main inspiration. I really don't think Goldberg could have been much better than what he was. In WWE, he was working with better talent in longer matches with a style that required more than just smashing dudes in 90 seconds and never comes off as any better in the ring than he was in WCW. But honestly I don't know why you'd want more out of him than that. I also don't really want to see 10-15 minute Road Warriors or Warrior matches outside of a couple of pretty specific matches and circumstances. Or Barbarian/Meng. But I do like seeing them just annihilate dudes. Goldberg definitely could have been in some more great matches if he worked more with guys who were willing to put more thought and effort into the lay out like DDP in the same way that Warrior could be carried to some real classics if they lay out and opponents were right (I think Goldberg was better than Warrior at just about everything in the ring, though). Goldberg is an all timer for being able to project his character and aura into everything he did physically, which quite often is more important than anything else.
- Sasha Banks
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Dave Meltzer stuff
I also don't believe there would be any heat on Charlotte for anything nor any chance of her leaving
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Atsushi Onita
I've actually seen more of his AJPW work than FMW work and he was a real solid guy in the ring before the injury. Basically all the things that have been mentioned about his deathmatch work, but applied to junior heavyweight wrestling. I would imagine the junior scene in AJPW would have been wildly different in the 80s had Onita not suffered what appeared to be a complete freak and stupid injury. After Onita's injury, the title is barely defended. Chavo has a nearly 300 day reign with 4 defenses, Mighty Inoue has a 468 day reign with 6 defenses and I've seen all these matches with him and had no clue he was even a title holder during this period. It's briefly part of the Kobayashi vs Tiger Mask feud and as soon as Misawa Mask wins it, he has all of 1 defense before the title quietly goes dormant and is replaced with a non NWA affiliated championship about 9 months later. I will say I watched the Funk/Onita barbed wire match after the Mox/Omega one and was actually offended at how they directly just redid 90% of that match including the post match stuff but every single thing they did was worse than what Funk/Onita did in 1993.
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Part Two: Black Ship Docks (1/2)
Bro, Regis interviewing Tenryu at Wrestlemania is an all timer "wtf that happened?" moment in wrestling
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Dave Meltzer stuff
The real cynicism is how many of these wrestlers actually have personal relationships with Meltzer and will use him to leak out shit they want leaked out but then make a public show against him when they feel it works for whatever narrative at the time. Also, jeez how does anyone listen to the radio show? Dave's bumbling, mumbling, stumbling, and ums and uhs, and inability to finish a thought before jumping to 7 other things will turn your brain to mush in just a few minutes.
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Tyler Bate
Remarkably talented at such a young age, but the way NXT UK is presented and booked, he might be in a limbo of only getting to show it off 2-3 times a year for the next few years. He's a guy that definitely would be well served to go on a worldwide tour for a couple of years, picking up influences and styles from all around to blend into his own style. And since he's young enough, he could do that and be back in WWE before he's even 30 as a completely well rounded talent and be able to go beyond the UK or even US NXT.
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Goldberg
Oh I love Goldberg. But not as a slow old man. The come back matches with Brock were a perfect return and send off, though. Everything else has been a bummer. But I could probably put Goldberg in my 100 just based on how rad his squashes were in 1998 and the Halloween Havoc match with DDP.
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Goldberg
Goldberg is not the type of character or wrestler where an old man back for one last run works at all for me. He was all about being this freakishly strong huge jacked up high intensity high impact guy smashing guys, but coming back in his mid 50s, being smaller and public about how hard and miserable it is to get into "Goldberg shape", being slow, and all of his moves looking like shit, even having to change to board shorts to hide his old man legs as he likely isn't doing heavy squats or deads anymore....shit is a bummer.
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Goldberg
Goldberg squashing KO/Dolph/Fiend in seconds, or the 2 minute losing matches to Braun and Drew were awesome to you? It's not like physical prime Goldberg smashing jobbers and cruiserweights. It's mid 50s Goldberg getting less muscular and more flabby each appearance, struggling to hit his moves, which is definitely not awesome or fun to me.
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All Elite Wrestling
I would hope they don't do another Page/Omega match until they can get out of Daly's Place. I feel like they can do some Hangman is too anxious and turns down a title match to stretch this thing out until they can tour again.
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Part Two: Black Ship Docks (1/2)
Gotta lotta love for random SWS/WAR shows
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GWE Non-Thread Worthy Comments
It's only 34000 matches bro what's the big deal
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GWE Non-Thread Worthy Comments
Thinking about going through the cagematch match guide and watching what is the most easily found that I either haven't seen or haven't seen in long enough to not really remember the details