Everything posted by PeteF3
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[1999-12-09-WCW-Thunder] The Artist Formerly Known As Prince Iaukea and Vampiro
Juvie declares the Artist Formerly Known As... to be "a great gimmick for the worst wrestler in the company," which does make me laugh. Iaukea shows absolutely no charisma or any idea of how to play this new gimmick. I'd love to know how much of Juvie's hatred for Vampiro is real.
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- WCW
- Thunder
- December 9
- 1999
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[1999-12-09-WCW-Thunder] Scott Hall and Kevin Nash promo / Juventud Guerrera: Color Commentator
Tenay has recovered remarkably quickly from having a guitar broken over his head on Nitro. I also don't get how having a first-guy-to-power-bomb-wins match "proves" who's the Master of the Power Bomb--that just proves who can hit it first, not which one is more effective. Wouldn't it make more sense to dictate that the match can only end after a power bomb? Juvie spouting off the Rock's catchphrases isn't as bad as Randy Savage using them unironically but man does it come off as desperate.
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[1999-12-08-AJW] Manami Toyota vs Kyoko Inoue
I had fun with this in spite of myself, though there were some glaring flaws. It functioned as a Greatest Hits match between the two and in that aspect it was fun--in front of one of the hotter AJW crowds in the latter half of the decade. Maybe not anything new under the sun, but as joshi in general and AJW in particular got more and more marginalized as the '90s wore on, it ended up being kinda fun to see the old spots again, some with new twists like Manami mocking Kyoko's clapping-hip-shimmy-Indian-deathlock taunt thing. I do think the closing stretch went on a little too long, but at this point it's sort of like complaining about WrestleMania being too long--not wrong, just pointless. That's what joshi is and that's what Manami is in particular. The finish itself falls flat too, and that's because of a spectacularly ill-conceived idea to apparently have Manami attempt to perform Kyoko's Victoria Driver/Burning Hammer on her--I don't know who came up with that, but I don't know how they could have expected that to come off. And indeed it doesn't, as Manami just drops Kyoko unconvincingly, pouts for a few seconds, then performs the JOCS to put her away. As a microcosm of this feud and '90s joshi in general, this had all the good and all the warts you'd expect. For better or for worse it's an appropriate way for the decade to go out. We've finished AJPW and now joshi (apparently) for the decade, and as I approach the end of this massive Yearbook project darned if I'm not getting a little nostalgic. About 5 years of Yearbook-viewing later, knowing almost nothing about the product other than who the big names were, I'm starting to fancy myself a bit of a joshi expert. Maybe I've just moved up the rankings of viewer knowledge just because the '90s scene has faded from Internet discussion.
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- AJW
- December 8
- 1999
- Tokyo
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The Innovation of the Tapout in Pro Wrestling
I can confirm that I absolutely read about Terry Taylor being responsible for the tapout in WCW at the time, in the low-level sheet I subscribed to. It had less to do with MMA and more to do with it being the "international sign for submission," convenient with all the international talent in the company--he also wanted more submission finishes in general. I really don't remember "tapping out" being a thing in the WWF until late '97, well after WCW was really pounding it. Did they really say Vader "tapped out" to Shamrock, or did they just call it a submission (regardless of what Vader actually did)? Of course, "tapping out" as a gesture if not a term is about as old as wrestling itself. There's a Lou Thesz-Vic Christy match out there where Christy quite clearly taps to signify a submission, and I'm pretty sure I've read of turn-of-the-century accounts where a submission is signalled in such a way.
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[1999-12-06-WWF-Raw] Big Bossman and Big Show's Mother
The mother is probably even worse of an actress than some of Mark Henry's sex therapists, but BBM is great. "So--what you're sayin' is your son's a bastard?"
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- WWF
- WWE
- RAW
- December 6
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[1999-12-06-WWF-Raw] HHH and Stephanie McMahon
HHH is pretty good as the disingenuous loving husband. Way better at that job than the incompetent boob sitting on the bleeper is at theirs. Eventually we get somewhere with this, with some new stips added to the Armageddon main event.
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- WWF
- WWE
- RAW
- December 6
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- [1999-12-06-WCW-Nitro] David Flair and DDP
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[1999-12-06-WCW-Nitro] Pyro and Ballyhoo
The Mamalukes challenge the Nitro Girls to a game of strip poker because reasons. I think I know the only people who are going to get stripped here. The Total Package asks Liz what good an engine is without a caboose, then decides that's a bad example and changes tactics. He compares their partnership to Tracy & Hepburn and Sonny & Cher. "BRING IT ON--NASH." Maybe this concept was a few years ahead of its time for action figures. Hey, Finlay's back! Hard to believe he'd ever wrestle again at one point, much less have a second career in the WWE as both a trainer and wrestler. Pervy Mean Gene interviews Mona's chest. Mona recites a very wooden promo talking about competing and winning, so apparently Russo didn't write this one. The Outsiders talk about doing to Sting what they did to the TV belt last week. Nash and Hall are still entertaining themselves more than cutting real promos. Nash's promo in particular would be a good way of setting up a big Benoit upset, but I question if that's actually going to happen and mean anything. Piper rambles, and actually mentions Russo by name. David Flair has Symphony in the bowels of the arena in what seems like a rather pale imitation of early Mankind. Oh good, let's give Jerry Flynn promo time. The not-Velveteen Dream stands by.
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[1999-12-06-WCW-Nitro] Jushin Liger vs Psicosis
Can you not get good pizza in Milwaukee? I've never been but I refuse to believe there isn't good pizza in a city that's only a couple of hours from Chicago. I've always suspected there was something off and inconsistent about Vince Russo's booking, this just clinches it. Psicosis is a surrogate champion for Juvie--I'd prefer to think of these title changes entirely as unofficial, and I hope New Japan does the same. Buzzkill is back with another sign, not even at ringside but just in the crowd.
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- WCW
- Monday Nitro
- December 6
- 1999
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WWE Network... It's Here
Between the Sheets has covered the Watts firing extensively--yes, it was absolutely Madden.
- [1999-12-05-BattlARTS] Katsumi Usuda & Carl Malenko vs Yuki Ishikawa & Masaaki Mochizuki
- [1999-12-04-ECW-TV] Impact Players, Chris Candido and Rhino
- [1999-12-04-ECW-TV] Sinister Minister and Cyrus
- [1999-12-04-ECW-TV] Limp Bizkit opening
- [1999-12-04-ECW-TV] Danny Doring and Roadkill promo
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[1999-12-04-KAW-TV] Music Video: Bill Dundee vs Terry Golden
How can a match look this bad even in music video form? A slick edit can make almost any match look like a classic, but this is barely even edited--it's just random slomo clips set to the dulcet autotuned tones of Kid Rock. A graphic hypes a rematch for Christmas Night, but remember--Terry Golden isn't about selling tickets for this and this isn't an angle.
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- KAW
- December 4
- 1999
- Bill Dundee
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[1999-12-04-OVW-TV] Scotty Sabre vs Sean Casey
"Parents, get your kids' permission before viewing this." Cornette does a good job on commentary overall but I think the calling-it-as-it's-live-even-though-it's-pre-taped atmosphere doesn't do him any favors--it just doesn't sound spontaneous. Danica strips Helena after she takes a Michinoku driver from Scotty Sabre. Then someone named Mercedes runs in and gets stripped as well.
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WWE Network... It's Here
Simmons winning the title aired either almost or entirely in full on the 8/8/92 WCWSN, at least according to the Match Discussion Archive.
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General Chat topic
Also a CBJ fan and the Golden Knights make me want to puke.
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Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 4
Adonis actually left/disappeared when Murdoch did, and didn't return until July (pretty much getting put in Patera's spot). I've heard it posited that the WWF didn't want Patera on the show because of his upcoming trial, but that could just be speculation.
- [1999-12-04-BJW] Ryuji Yamakawa vs Shadow WX (4-Way Light Bulb Board Death)
- [1999-12-03-ECW-TNN] Steve Corino and Limp Bizkit
- [1999-12-03-ECW-TNN] Cyrus and Jerry Lynn
- [1999-12-03-ECW-TNN] Raven promo
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[1999-12-03-AJPW-Real World Tag League] Kenta Kobashi & Jun Akiyama vs Stan Hansen & Akira Taue
Damn, this was a blast. Everyone here was great--Hansen as the cowboy on the Last Ride and all the intensity and anguish that entails, Taue as his muscle, and Kobashi and Akiyama as plucky babyfaces in Bizarro World. The final comeback is positively electrifying, with Akiyama desperately trying to hang onto the ropes to avoid a Taue chokeslam and still managing to kick out, then countering the Lariat attempt just when it seems all is lost. For AJPW standards it's a pretty quick babyface comeback to the finish, but the Wrist Clutch Exploder is pretty much instant death whenever it's busted out so it makes sense, and it was cool to see a big AJPW tag that really only has two hot false finishes but doesn't stop being a thrill ride the whole way through. Probably the #2 AJPW match of the year.