Everything posted by PeteF3
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[1998-11-23-WWF-Raw] Vince McMahon and Shawn Michaels
In hindsight I think they telegraphed the swerve too much by talking about how Shawn and Vince don't see eye to eye and that Shawn can't be controlled--not to a Joey Styles extreme, but it was there.
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[1998-11-23-WCW-Nitro] Goldberg vs The Giant
This is pretty much it for the Giant--he's been past the point of being a real meaningful force as evidenced by doing a job to Rick Steiner, but this gets over pretty huge. It's incredible how EFFORTLESS Goldberg makes it look, to Jackhammer him. Yeah, you can really tell the fans were sick of this guy. Good post-match, too--as we can see here, even with Nash's involvement, there was no reason whatsoever not to headline Souled Out with Goldberg/Bigelow, maybe make it "unsanctioned" and lead to another match at SuperBrawl.
- [1998-11-23-WCW-Nitro] Interview: Chris Jericho
- [1998-11-23-WCW-Nitro] Kevin Nash vs Wrath
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[1998-11-23-WCW-Nitro] Ric Flair, Eric Bischoff and Barry Windham
For all the talk of "tradition" you'd think someone would be clued in on the fact that Windham was not an "original" Horseman, but I guess Ole has been Stalinized from history at this point. I didn't care much for the delayed execution of the Windham turn, nor for Bischoff telegraphing it. Windham's probably in a better role as an NWO B-teamer than a Horseman hanger-on, though.
- [1998-11-23-WCW-Nitro] Rey Misterio Jr vs Billy Kidman
- [1998-11-23-WCW-Nitro] Interview: NWO Wolfpac
- [1998-11-23-WCW-Nitro] Billy Kidman, Eddy Guerrero and Rey Misterio Jr
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[1998-11-22-WCW-World War III] Battle Royal
Pretty shitty action, minus the Goldberg/Bigelow brawl. Absolutely flabbergasting that they didn't run that match as a headliner--even for Nitro (not counting the non-match last week). I don't see any reason for optimism just looking at this match in a vacuum. Benoit and Malenko get tossed like common jobbers and the divide between the Old Guard and those two, Booker, and Wrath is still rock-solid.
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- November 22
- 1998
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[1998-11-22-WCW-World War III] Goldberg & Rick Steiner & Scott Steiner and Buff Bagwell
Don't really know what's going on here and God knows I'm not going to investigate further. Some NWO referee is officiating this apparent non-match, then Goldberg breaks up the party. Nothing segment, but listen to this Palace crowd and try to tell me that "Yeah, Goldberg had to lose at Starrcade, fans were getting sick of him." Bull-fucking-shit.
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Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 4
Playing devil's advocate--EVOLVE shows are currently $14.99 for streaming and $19.99 for streaming + rewatching the show. They often run two shows a month. $20 for that plus archives doesn't sound so bad--and it's $12.50 a month if you buy a full year. The stuff about how they're "going to" do this and that and "look at" these promotions and the other don't really fill me with confidence, though. I want to know what else is going into this. Even at the reduced price, WWN is the bare-minimum starting point.
- [1993-08-24-ECW-TV] Interview: Eddie Gilbert & Paul E. Dangerously
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Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 4
For $20 a month they'd better have basically everything on WWN plus PWG and preferably NJ World, too. But Dave has already said that PWG turned them down flat.
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[1998-11-16-WWF-Raw] Road Warrior Hawk climbs the Titantron
I should have used "Pillman Voice" because the gun angle is where that really started, but I figured no one would know what that meant. But at least with the gun angle they kept it up for the rest of the show, instead of treating it like a standalone segment like this.
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[1998-11-22-WCW-World War III] Billy Kidman vs Juventud Guerrera
Per Dave, WCW simply decided to ignore Rey's #1 contendership and run a title re-match instead. Yes, really. "Oh, WCW" indeed. This is a balls-out finishing stretch, utilizing multiple rings in a really clever way. Hey Hayabusa and Fuyuki: *this* is how you get me to care about near-falls, by making it actually seem like said near-falls could end the match and treating them as actual potential match-enders and not just excuses for big moves. Rey repays Juvie from Nitro by costing him the Cruiserweight title. The post-match is just total stupidity. First off, why do the LWO care about Juventud's well-being? Is he a member? Then why was he trying to help Rey on Nitro? Or Was That a Plan All Along, too? Why does Eddie want Rey to make a decision "in or out" when he knows he has him against his will? Why are they running an indentured-servitude angle and blowing it off after SIX DAYS?
- [1998-11-22-WWF-Super Astros] El Hijo del Santo vs Super Loco
- [1998-11-21-MPPW-TV] Jerry Lawler & Stacy Carter vs Bill Dundee & Samantha
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[1998-11-20-ECW-TV] New Jack promo
New Jack's from Harlem now. "I don't sing about it, I don't rap about it--I go in there and I whoop yo' ass." Man, WWE could use a black guy who's that honest and forthcoming right now. (That sounds way worse than I mean it.) Jack doesn't have much to focus on now, as Jack Victory and giant ass are on the shelf having broken their leg at N2R.
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[1998-11-20-FMW-Scramble Survivor] Hayabusa vs Kodo Fuyuki
Nope. Was one of those not-into-Hayabusa people before and I'm still not, Fuyuki's best efforts aside. I didn't care about or bite on any of the near falls and FMW main event style still comes off as 2.9 wrestling--guy takes a big move, acts dead, then suddenly kicks out. On to the next move until one arbitrarily ends the match. I'm still waiting for one of these FMW title matches to surprise me on *any* level--a predictable result or booking tactic is one thing, but I'm still calling out exactly what's going to happen before it does, almost every time. Also, for a guy who's "toning it down," Fuyuki really, really needs to stop trying shit like power bombs off the turnbuckle.
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- November 20
- 1998
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[1998-11-16-WWF-Raw] Steve Austin vs The Rock
Yeah, the match itself isn't overly special (though the action is quite good, especially the finisher-countering toward the end), but the crowd is ELECTRIC--one of the very best in a year of great WWF crowds. Mankind, Undertaker, Boss Man, and Shamrock all get into it and it all feels incredibly chaotic without being confusing or losing the plot. Austin fails to regain the title in his "only" title shot, as Undertaker clobbers Austin with a shovel. Your two side feuds until WrestleMania are now set--Russo's fingerprints are growing more evident but the main event scene booking is still solid.
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[1998-11-16-WWF-Raw] Pat Patterson and Jerry Brisco
This was part of a running story of each individual Stooge to go into the boiler room alone to "fetch" Mankind. So all 3 go together after loading themselves up with football helmets, shoulder pads, chains, and other weapons. It doesn't go too well.
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[1998-11-16-WWF-Raw] Sable and Shane McMahon
What an uninspiring followup to the angle we just saw...not that there were any "good" options. I don't think I can possibly be compelled to care about a Shane-Sable feud. Hawk was taken to a HOSPITAL(!) and is "breathing somewhat normally."
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[1998-11-16-WWF-Raw] Road Warrior Hawk climbs the Titantron
And there's your 1998 Most Disgusting Promotional Tactic Award, right there. Well, unless the Ric Flair fake heart attack is worse than I remember. Yes, asking Droz and Hawk to climb around up there is totally irresponsible, borderline criminal, and that's one of about 907 things wrong with this segment. Like the cliffhanger commercial break, and the SHOOT NAMES, and the Owen Voices. A silhouette falls behind the TitanTron and a loud crash is heard. Crowd completely shits all over this and my respect for Attitude Era fans just increased about 75%.
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[1998-11-16-WWF-Raw] Vince McMahon and Ken Shamrock
Shamrock and Boss Man are presumably having it out over BBM costing Shamrock the Hardcore title. Vince puts a stop to that and Shamrock finds himself ensconced in the loving arms of the Corporation, which is now going by that name.
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[1998-11-16-WWF-Raw] Mark Henry and Chyna
Chyna is back, sporting her new post-jaw-surgery look. Not that I'm a fan of the Val character but some type of storyline involving him and Chyna feels like a missed opportunity, somehow. Mark is still an affable lovebird at this point and not a sex addict.
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