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OJ's WWWF/WWF thread
Bob Backlund vs. Sgt. Slaughter (WWF, 10/20/80) Howard Finkel can barely stifle his laughter when Slaughter gets on the house mic and starts singing the Marines Hymn. Backlund sure liked to get his shine at the beginning of a match. Has there ever been a babyface who had a longer shine than Bob Backlund? He's a kick-ass, killer babyface, so it's not terrible to watch, but it's half the match. And when Slaughter takes take over, it becomes a back and forth brawl where the Sarge ends up bleeding. Backlund's feats of strength never cease to amaze. The dude was a freak with that shit. This is good stuff, but when Slaughter gets Backlund in the Cobra Clutch, Skaaland hits Slaughter over the head with a chair. That's some bullshit right there. If heel managers aren't allowed to stay at ringside at MSG then how the hell can Skaaland justify pulling that shit? Not only that, but Backlund gives Slaughter a piledriver after the chair shot. That's a heel turn in my books. Such a bizarre finish. They did a similar spot in Philly three years later but it was after the bell and Skaaland was looking to prevent his man from suffering an injury. This shit was bogus.
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French catch
Is the TV we have from '71 onwards predominantly Delaporte's promotion or do we have footage from other promotions as well? I would argue that there were even more gimmicks in the 60s than there were in the 70s, especially in the way of the success of L'Ange Blanc and other masked gimmicks. When I was going through all of the posters and match records we have from the era, I noted plenty of gimmicks that never aired on TV like the knockoff OSS 17 gimmick (the French version of James Bond), and so on. A lot of this stuff didn't make TV. That may have been because promoters wanted to push their top guys, or because politically the promoters were better off keeping the gimmickry stuff off the screens. We know that Catch was under attack in the early 60s for not being the sporting contest it portrayed itself as. We still don't know how the TV worked, tbh, which is something always bothered me. How did the broadcaster decide which promotion they would show each week? Was there an agreement amongst the promoters as to the rotation of the promotions or was it t the whim of the broadcaster? One thing that's notable about the catch broadcasts is that you very rarely see the workers dressed up in their gimmicks. This seemed to be intentionally kept off the screens. You don't see Spartacus in his Gladiator gear, for example, or M'Boa with his snake. You don't even see Batman in his full get up. There's an episode from 1969 where the heels are wearing their full costumes, but I can't think of too many other examples outside of the L'Ange Blanc run. Things appeared to be a lot more lax by '71, but I would counter that there wasn't a pick up in intensity with the gimmick workers. Rather, I think there's a serious decline in both the foreign talent available and local talent. There's a lot of amazing light heavyweight wrestling in the early 70s and some cool heavyweight stuff involving the feds, but there isn't a steady stream of new talent. When you don't have talented new wrestlers, you tend to get guys relying more on gimmicks to get over. However, gimmicks were always a part of French wrestling just like they were always a part of British wrestling. I'm fairly sure there was a steady overlap between 60s French gimmicks and the Paul Lincoln gimmicks of 1960s England. After all, there seemed to be an exchange of talent between the two.
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[2005-01-28-CMLL] Atlantis & Black Warrior & Mistico & Negro Casas vs Ultimo Guerrero & Rey Bucanero & Hector Garza & Averno
Disgusting short for an atomicos match, but there were a bunch of talented dudes involved and they made the most of the time they were given. Atlantis continued his beef with Bucanero, two future Mistico matches were set-up against Averno and Ultimo Guerrero, Hector Garza continued to get his rudo act over, and they threw in a Black Warrior tope for good measure. It wound up being a high octane bout despite how criminally short it was.
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OJ's WWWF/WWF thread
Bob Backlund vs. Sgt. Slaughter (WWF, 10/22/83) This was a very good brawl between the two. It was a Sicilian stretcher match, but instead of doing a bunch of spots with the stretcher like most workers do, they beat the crap out of each other until Backlund finally got the chicken wing on Slaughter and the Sarge passed out. The refs dumped Slaughter out of the ring like he was a piece of trash and that was enough for Bob to win the bout. Great creepy/intense interview with Rudman afterwards. Why isn't Rudman in the booth? Love that guy. These two had a Texas Death Match the month before, but I can't find it anywhere. Let me know if it's out in the wild somewhere.
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[2005-01-08-NOAH-Great Voyage] Yoshinobu Kanemaru vs Tatsuhito Takaiwa
This was a good match. It was Takaiwa so there was some no-selling, but it was all in the name of high stakes drama. I've always had a soft spot for Takaiwa as he was part of some of the first matches I downloaded from the internet back in the days when it took 36 hours and several disconnected attempts to download anything. I love his unavoidable journeyman look that even a shaven head can't disguise and his earnestness to be the best possible worker that he can be. A bit like Kanemaru really. In this case like vs. like produced something good and gets the thumbs up from me.
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[2005-01-21-CMLL] Blue Panther & Atlantis vs Olimpico & Rey Bucanero
This was a very good match that was overshadowed by a serious neck injury on a botched Olimpico dive. Atlantis and Panther, the two legends and former rivals, bucked recent trends in CMLL by attempting to produce meaningful falls and Panther insured that there was at least some matwork in the title match. The botched spot occurred early on in the tercera caida when Olimpico tried to do a running tope near the ringpost. He mistimed grabbing the top rope with his right hand, and instead of Atlantis catching him, he fell straight on his head. Babe Richard and the ringside doctor immediately ran to his aid. Galavision replayed the accident several times. Olimpico would be out for around five months, but it could have been worse. I felt bad for the guy. He was finally in the mix but once again he couldn't catch a break. They either improvised a finish or took things home early, but obviously the Olimpico injury put a dampner on things.
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[2005-01-30-WWE-Royal Rumble] Edge vs Shawn Michaels
This had a surprisingly weak build-up for a WWE match, and features two of the biggest ham actors in the history of professional wrestling, but it's not bad considering that they weren't able to smash their way through any announcer tables and had to tell a story between the ropes. There are a few cringe moments but also some good stuff. You can occasionally see Taz and Michael Cole in the background. Cole looks bored, but Taz is focused on the match. I can only imagine the hyperbola if Cole were on commentary. The reason this match is a footnote in WWE history instead of something more fondly remembered is that Edge cheats to win and hams it up afterward. They also didn't take the feud much further than this. By the time Wrestlemania rolls around, Shawn squares off against Angle and Edge is competing in the Money in the Bank match.
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OJ's WWWF/WWF thread
Bob Backlund vs. Sgt. Slaughter (WWF, 8/13/83) Another fun chapter in their '83 feud. Backlund is still incensed about the whipping he received and beats the shit out of Slaughter for most of the bout, but Slaughter claws and fights his way back into the bout and there's a cool finish where Slaughter is standing on the apron and catches Backlund in the cobra clutch. He thinks he's won the bout but young Joey Marella counts him out and Slaughter puts the cobra clutch on Marella after the bout. Gorilla is on commentary with Dick, which isn't half as fun as Kal being there, but the times were a changing.
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[2005-01-07-CMLL] Atlantis & Blue Panther & Mistico vs Rey Bucanero & Tarzan Boy & Olimpico
This was a really good match. It even had a lengthy opening mat exchange between Blue Panther and Tarzan Boy which reminded me that I'm not crazy and that Tarzan Boy developed into an excellent worker from 2000-2005. The rest of the bout was full of smart lucha exchanges. Atlantis continued his long-running rivalry with Rey Bucanero and Mistico was given some showcase moments. The finish was screwy but in a way that actually worked and made the rudos look clever. The trios set up a tag title match between Atlantis & Panther and Olimpico & Bucanero. I had no idea Atlantis & Panther were the tag champions at the time as for the some reason their title win didn't air on television (or is unavailable on tape in the US -- the broadcasts were a bit sketchy around this time.) Hopefully, the title match continues the good vibes from this trios.
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[2005-01-30-WWE-Royal Rumble] Triple H vs Randy Orton
This was a perfectly solid Triple H vs. Orton match. I had no complaints about the work and was happy to see a clear, definitive end to the feud. However, I will point out that it was very clear and very definitive, as Orton never had a chance to hit the RKO while Triple H finished Orton with a pedigree. Triple H evaded the RKO three times, IIRC, which is telling given Orton's gimmick is that he can hit the RKO from anywhere. It's a cool move and was given the Stone Cold Stunner treatment over the course of Orton's face run, but Triple H put that to bed. They worked a concussion angle prior to the finish. I assume it was designed to give Orton an out for the loss, but it was in poor taste given what we know about concussion injuries. Apparently, they turn Orton heel after this and have him feud with the Undertaker. I guess that's a smart move since they need to get Orton out of the way of the Triple H vs. Batista feud, but I've always wondered how, kayfabe-wise, wrestlers can get over a loss like this and move onto the next thing.
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[2005-01-24-WWE-RAW] Shawn Michaels & Chris Benoit & Chris Jericho vs Edge & Christian & Tyson Tomko
Fun six-man tag heading into the Rumble. The set-up for the Edge vs. Shawn Michaels match is weak sauce, but it's kind of fun watching Edge mock Michaels. Benoit vs. Christian was a solid match-up and made me wonder if there's more instances of that pairing.
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French catch
Thanks for sharing the clips, Phil.
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French catch
Are those recent additions to the archives? Does anyone know if the INA add new footage to the archives?
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OJ's WWWF/WWF thread
Bob Backlund vs. Sgt. Slaughter (WWF, 5/23/83) This may be my favorite Backlund vs. Slaughter match. It helps if you watch the angle leading into the match where Slaughter challenged Backlund to beat his record at the Harvard Step Test only to attack Bob and whip him with his swagger stick. Bob is pissed before the bout saying that Slaughter had hurt everyone close to him and that he had tried to keep the beating a secret from his daughter but she had seen the footage at a friend's house. What follows is a frantic brawl where Backlund gets, in the words of the Macho Man Randy Savage, only a piece of what he wants from Slaughter.
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French catch
Who are the opponents?
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[2005-01-24-WWE-RAW] Randy Orton vs Ric Flair
This was more about Orton's upcoming match against Triple H than it was Flair against Orton. Flair's main contribution to the match was busting open the stitches on Orton's forehead before it became the Orton vs. Triple H go home show confrontation. There was more tension between Triple H and Batista as well. I'm curious to see what they do with Orton after the Rumble.
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[2005-01-15-ROH-It All Begins] Bryan Danielson vs Homicide (Submission)
I was also confused by what happened at the beginning. Things seemed to get out of hand with some fans, and they cut to Cornette cutting a promo on Bobby Heenan. This was a decent, hard-hitting bout. I dig Danielson's new look. They actually went ahead and did a Best of Five with each match having a different stipulation. Looks like it took them until May to complete the series. The booking here was fairly simple with Homicide beating Danielson at his own match, playing off the injury Danielson had suffered at the end of their last match where the Rottweilers tried to break his arm. Danielson demanded a taped fist match after the bout before stomping on Homicide's head.
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[2005-01-08-NOAH-Great Voyage] Kenta Kobashi vs Minoru Suzuki
Finally, a badass Suzuki match. I knew there had to be one eventually since it was a badass in the 2010s. No surprise that it's against the best in the world. Suzuki seemed to embrace the opportunity to step on Kobashi's home turf and piss all over it. I liked how they acknowledged that Kobashi had no counter to Suzkui's grappling skill, but that his chops and lariat were more than a match for Suzuki's strikes. I also liked the way Kobashi countered Suzuki's stand up game with a good old-fashioned headlock, which was in equal parts amusing and awesome because of the intensity that Kobashi exuded. They didn't go too deep into the well during this one, but honestly that made it an easier watch.
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[2005-01-30-LLA] Super Parka vs Nicho el Millonario
I love me some Super Parka and matches like this are the reason why: slow, methodical brawling with thoughtful rudo work. Even Monterrey, with all its bullshit, can't prevent this from being an entertaining singles match. It's hard to believe at times that Nicho used to be Psicosis. I sometimes wonder what sort of runs he could have in Mexico if he hadn't dropped his mask so cheaply. Still, if Super Parka can be awesome walking around in a skeleton outfit with a Superman "S" on the chest, Nicho can try a bit harder too. I really need to go on a Super Parka binge. I think I like him better than the actual Parka.
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[2004-11-19-CMLL] Alan Stone & Zumbido vs Loco Max & Mr Mexico (Hair vs Hair)
This was an entertaining bout. There's a case to be made that if CMLL are going to run short, truncated bouts then the best way to fill the time is to cram them with as much action as possible. That's certainly been the case whenever Zumbido has been put in apuesta bouts. The haircuts were more entertaining than the bout itself, but all told this was a fun undercard bout.
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[2005-01-03-WWE-RAW] Triple H vs Randy Orton
This was the go home show before the Elimination Chamber match. It was a short, intense bout between the two that managed to be compelling despite run-ins from every participant in the Elimination Chamber and Shawn Michaels to boot. That was largely because the match was allowed to continue after the brawl, and Orton scored a clean pinfall from a RKO. For as crappy a reputation as Hunter has, he sure knew how to do business.
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OJ's WWWF/WWF thread
Bob Backlund vs. Don Muraco (WWF, 2/18/83) This was one of the better Backlund/Muraco matches, IMO. Vince was joined on commentary by Gorilla, who did color. He was still fairly new to the commentary game at this stage and not so jaded. However, there was an awkward period in the middle of the match where Backlund had Muraco in a side headlock that went on for too long and Vince and Gorilla struggled with how to call it. They wound up getting pissy, but it was forgotten about when they turned it on for the finishing stretch. It was an exciting stretch, but ended with a stupid finish where Backlund lost his cool and struck the referee. He did that kind of shit way too much for a champion at his level. Afterward, he struck his manager then attacked Muraco while he was being interviewed by Kal Rudman. Murao had a shit eating grin wider than Haystacks Calhoun's backside. He was inside Backlund's head and loving it. If only he brought that sort of psychology to his matches.
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Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 4
We'll never know because we don't have any all the facts from the case, but I just wanted to throw out a quiet rest in peace to the guy.
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OJ's WWWF/WWF thread
Bob Backlund vs. Don Muraco (WWF, 11/29/81) It took a while for these guys to realize they were in a no holds barred, Texas Death Match, but once they did they turned it into the most entertaining version of a Muraco vs. Backlund brawl you can imagine. But it only lasted 13 minutes and ended with a dodgy pin.
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[2004-11-16-CMLL] Blue Panther vs Black Tiger
This was a great looking match on paper, and may have lived up to that potential anywhere other than Mexico City, but in the sub-15 minute match era, at least they made an effort to make the tercera caida the best fall of the match. It wasn't a revelation, but it at least left you with a better taste in your mouth than the opening caidas. The finish was clean as well, which meant no kick in the balls for the aficionados. There are probably better examples of workers working within the CMLL restrictions, but these guys cleared the bar nonetheless.