Everything posted by ohtani's jacket
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[2002-05-10-CMLL] Apolo Dantes & Gran Markus Jr & Mascara Ano 2000 & Universo 2000 vs Killer & Nitro & Veneno & Violencia
This match was an excuse for Pierroth to stir a bunch of shit. That's okay because I'm a Pierroth fan and I enjoy watching him stir shit. First he took out Veneno accidentally, then he had a confrontation with the mysterious man in black who advises Los Capos, before finally dodging a hair vs. hair challenge from Gran Markus Jr. Like I said, I don't mind Pierroth segments in my 2000s CMLL.
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[2002-10-20-AJW] Kaoru Ito vs Momoe Nakanishi
Sad to see so many empty seats for Momoe's big moment. The match followed a similar pattern to their previous matches. Ito threw Momoe around like a ragdoll and all Momoe could do was hang in there and hope to hit a reversal. Momoe was great at bumping and selling, and she brought a lot of energy to her reversal game, but I was hoping for more from this. Momoe basically won the title with a botched reversal that she was able to hold onto for a three count. The fact that it was messy didn't bother me. It was the overuse of the reversals that made the finish anticlimactic. She kept trying the same thing over and over again until one finally stuck. Instead of overcoming the challenging of Ito, it came across a fluky win. I don't know if Momoe had anything in her arsenal that could have put Ito away convincingly, but I am pretty sure they had better matches in their JGP encounters than they did here. I'm not sure if Momoe winning the title was the right choice, either. From a business point-of-view, it didn't really matter since AJW was in the crapper anyway. Ito was fine as champion from a diehard's viewpoint, especially folks who had followed her ascension after the AJW exodus in '97, but she was never going to draw in the way that past champions had. Momoe, however, was the type of worker who would have never had a sniff at the Big Red Belt in the past. If you think about the talent that never got anywhere near the tile it's surreal to think that Momoe wore the belt. Girls like Momoe are great as chasers, but I could her struggling more than Satomura or Hamada in The Woman role. From memory, this isn't their best match. I am pretty confident that the Ito vs. Momoe dynamic worked best in those JGP matches.
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French catch
Dan Aubriot vs. Pierre Bernaert (aired 11/9/62) This was uploaded years ago by Bob ALPRA, but clearly we know more about Bernaert now than we did six or seven years ago. Aubriot wrestles a classic European style full of flair. Fortunately, he doesn't veer toward comedy, instead punctuating his flair with tight matwork. Bernaert's MOD is pretty clear by now. He never really strays from it in singles or tags. He wrestles a bit more in this match than others, but I'd describe it more as "hanging" than showing his prowess. Aubroit gets suckered into a manchette battle, which doesn't seem like his forte, and is overpowered in the end. This didn't change my opinion of Bernaert, but it's definitely one of his better matches.
- [2002-12-14-GSCW] Super Dragon vs Bobby Quance
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2026 Ideas
Modesto Aledo shows up later on as the masked Kamikaze, though there are a few matches where I'm not sure if it's actually Aledo under the hood.
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2026 Ideas
I don't see the problem with including a wrestler on your list because you think they're a great promo. If your entire list is based on promos then maybe there's an issue, but c'mon, there will be lists based on who was the best technical wrestler, the best brawler, the best bumper, the best high flyer, the best best all-rounder, the best punch... What does it matter if people focus on promos?
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KinchStalker's Puroresu History Thread Leftover Posts
No, he was involved with SWS and later WAR.
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2026 Ideas
A lot of promos in Japan are cut in the ring and can be difficult to hear clearly. I think in the backstage interviews you can tell who is comfortable cutting a promo. That doesn't necessarily mean they're cutting an interesting promo, but it's clear who's confident. Having said that, sometimes shyness is endearing in those types of situations. The commentators are more interesting. I always got a kick out of the CMLL announcers but people who can speak Spanish often say they're talking rubbish. I used to love Akira Fukuzawa because he sounded like a Mr. Sparkly gag, but now I can barely stand him.
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KinchStalker's Puroresu History Thread Leftover Posts
They both performed the role.
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2026 Ideas
Kandori worked a lot of brawls, which played off her heat with Sato and others, but she was clearly a shoot style worker doing brawls even if "shoot style" in this case amounted to judo elements. As far as I remember when she worked the Yokota types she was presented as a different kind of match-up for them. I can't remember her working too many straight shooter vs. shooter type matches, but styles make fights. That's why the Hokuto match is great and the Toyota match. The thing with Kandori is that her early work has been largely unwatched and her LLPW work has been largely unwatched, except for a few hardcores like Jetlag and earlier completists like PUNQ. Most people only know her from her interpromotional work. She's a great subject to explore for a list like this. If Matt watches the same footage that Jetlag has, I'm sure he'll pick up on all sorts of details. People shouldn't sleep on Ozaki or Kansai, either.
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KinchStalker's Puroresu History Thread Leftover Posts
He was more than just a booker. He was a trainer and the examiner for the dojo's entrance test. While he was the booker, he was instrumental in creating a freer environment for the younger wrestlers where they were allowed to do big moves in their matches. He made a lot of reforms to the undercard of All Japan and improved the training methods for rookies. He broke Misawa and Koshinaka into the business and was highly respected by both. I believe he was also an interpreter for the foreigners. According to The Great Kabuki he now drives a truck in the States.
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2026 Ideas
I will say that I think it's important to sample all sorts of Joshi. Joshi is one of those stupid terms we use to encapsulate an entire group of sub genres, a bit like puroresu or lucha. That's why the early 90s interpromotional cards were such great gateway shows because they presented you with so many different workers/match types.
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2026 Ideas
Kandori wasn't that unique. Once UWF got big, Chigusa, Lioness and Omori started incorporating a lot of shoot style influence into their work which beget the likes of Hotta and Yamada. Kandori was different in that she came from a legitimate background, but even before the UWF got big workers like Sato and Yokota were working more serious wrestling styles. Watching Kandori matches would expose you to pre-split JWP, which not a lot of people have seen. Her post inter-promotional era stuff would also expose you to a lot of different workers. She had a couple of famous matches with Bull, so you could even knock Nakano off your list. It's a shame that All Japan didn't go through with the late 80s Kandori vs. Chigusa dream match.
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I don't think you can watch 1990 All Japan without going into 1991, presuming you like the Misawa vs. Jumbo feud as much as others do. Early Taue is a thing as well. I personally love that Jumbo/Taue tag team. I haven't checked in on your '89 AJPW feud in a while, but maybe you'll have softened on a few of the pillars by the time you watch their later stuff. I go back and forth on it myself. I get sick of it, don't watch it for years, then watch a match and get bowled over. Wrestling, to me, is always about the mindset I'm in. If you need help with WoS let me know.
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2026 Ideas
I think there's enough Gorgeous George out there to vote for him.
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2020 JUMBO BIO, PART EIGHT
One thing that interests me about Japanese wrestling is the kohai/senpai relationship between the wrestlers. Jumbo was infamously stingy with how he treated his kohai whereas Tenryu was the opposite (only to discover later on that his kohai didn't actually want to spend all night drinking with him.) I just watched a Japanese TV segment on Netflix where celebrities reveal their biggest mistakes/regrets, and Liger was on the show talking about how his behavior toward his kohai damaged his reputation with younger wrestlers. I don't know how much of it was a work, but there are a lot of rumors about the hazing that Liger liked to inflict on younger wrestlers. There was an amusing segment where Liger demonstrated the difference between how he greeted his own senpai Choshu and the way he greeted one of his kohai, which was almost like a surprise nipple grab from behind .
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It depends how you define obscure. There are overlooked areas of wrestling even in our circles. Personally, I don't think 50s US wrestling, British wrestling, French wrestling, German wrestling or 80s Joshi are obscure, and I definitely think you can find top 100 candidates from each. The list ends up being longer than 100 wrestlers anyway. It's closer to the top 500 wrestlers of all-time.
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I find it easier to appreciate things in retrospect, especially 20 years later. Joshi was a hell of a lot more promising in the early 00s than the male promotions. There was a time when it felt like Hamada, Satomura and Nakanishi were going to carry the banner for Joshi as the next generation. It felt apart pretty quickly, but the early 00s were full of promise and a renaissance of sorts for Japanese women's wrestling.
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The aging of wrestling fans
I am pretty sure comic book sales have improved from where they were at the end of the 90s.
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The aging of wrestling fans
If wrestling wants to become popular again it should study what Kevin Feige achieved with the Marvel Cinematic Universe. When Marvel was bankrupt and on the bones of its arse, who would have thought that one day it would end up dominating box office receipts? Superheroes were a known commodity before the MCE. Comics were a known commodity before the MCE. Wrestling is a known commodity now. If wrestling were able to find a novel way to relaunch itself through gaming, movies, or some other platform, then perhaps it would catch on. If it wants to stay the course then I think it would benefit from an off-season. Half the anticipation in television these days is the wait for another season.
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2026 Ideas
I think you should sample as many as possible and deep dive the ones that appeal to you. Ideally, you read a bunch of folks talking about Bockwinkel, it piques your interest, you check out a few of his matches and you want to see more. Then maybe you like a few of his opponents and you check out some of their matches, or you try to find workers similar to Bockwinkel. I don't see why this can't be an organic and enjoyable experience. It's much easier to do now than it was when we did the original list in '06. Back then we were limited to what we'd seen on tape or what some kind soul was prepared to upload for us. Unless you're strategically voting for a particular style (which I am against, fwiw), you don't have enough space to include every great worker you come across. If it's 50s wrestling, for example, you might want to watch Thesz, Gagne, Rogers, Schmidt, etc., but I don't think anyone's going to hold it against you if you don't get to Baron Michele Leon, Lord James Blears or Billy Goelz, to name drop a few. The onus is on folks who are familiar with those styles to make a compelling case for wrestlers you should watch.
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Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 4
Lots of rumors swirling about Inoki's health. He released a video, but he didn't look good.
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[2002-05-03-CMLL] Black Tiger & Fuerza Guerrera & Masada & Takemura vs Black Warrior & Mr Niebla & Hijo de Lizmark & Shocker
This was a good match. The finish was screwy, but it was a running theme throughout the match so it wasn't a surprise. The bulk of the work was strong. I was especially pleased with how involved Fuerza was, and the fact that he didn't look washed. You don't really get those amazing Fuerza moments at this stage of his career, though there were some fun stooging moments with Lizmark Jr. Shocker has dyed his hair the same pinkish color as Mascara Magica and his workrate has improved tremendously. This was a good outing from Shocker. He's struggled to be The Man in CMLL, but you can tell that it's there brimming under the surface. He just needs to bring it out on a regular basis. It just goes to show that we take for granted guys who bring that superstar presence to every match. I've gotta say, the Black Tiger gimmick isn't something I'd ordinarily enjoy, but I've really liked Silver King's work during this run. Successful multi-man matches usually leave me salivating for a singles match, and this time it was Tiger vs. Shocker.
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French catch
Inca Peruano & Giuseppe Daidone vs. Mic Charre & Jean Fryziuk (aired 11/10/61) This was a fun match. I particularly liked the individual match-up between Peruano and Fryziuk. Perunao is somewhat more subdued in the 60s compared to his 50s flamboyance, but he's still a top class worker, and Fryziuk is one of the best babyface foils in catch. This also the best Daidone has looked. He's more of a nuts and bolts heel compared to the other showmen, but it works against a strong babyface pairing in Charre & Fryziuk. Charre rounded things off with some nice looking holds. Everyone brought something to the table in this one. Monsieur Montreal & Ami Sola vs. Pierre Bernaert & Jack Rouxel (aired 1/12/62) This was decent. Bernaert is never gonna be the Tully Blanchard super heel that I want him to be, but he has flashes of greatness. I'm probably underrating him. If I ever watch his stuff again, I'll probably find cause to reappraise him. This was mostly based around the Mr. Montreal vs. Rouxel match-up, which is a match they had ran before on TV. It was decent enough. Sola didn't stand out as much as he has in previous matches.
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2026 Ideas
I don't think folks should stick to what they know and like. If Okada is your guy, there's no point arguing about where he rates compared to other candidates. He's your guy. You know you're going to vote for him. Instead, you should be looking for guys you haven't seen much of. Maybe you haven't seen any Akira Maeda, so you check out a few of his more acclaimed matches. Maybe they do nothing for you, and you move on, or perhaps they get you more into UWF and RINGS and you wind having a few more shoot style guys to round out your list. Maybe you like his New Japan stuff and that leads you down a rabbit hole of Fujinami and Choshu matches. The worst thing you can do is say I hate old school wrestling so I'm not gonna watch any of that. You won't fill every gap. That's true. When the results came out last time, I realized I hadn't seen any of the 50s workers, which sent me down a huge rabbit hole. These days I'm interested in 00s indy workers, something that never appealed to me before. You should be trying to broaden your wrestling viewing with a project like this. It's a time to try new things and discover new workers. I don't think people should worry about the results or making a case for anyone. They should be trying to find new favorite workers.