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108 - Steve Grey 2006 Ranking: honourable mention (135) Points: 2017 # of Ballots: 42 Average Vote: 53.02 High Vote: 7 (Frankensteiner) Low Vote: 97 "Steve Grey was a higher end Tito Santana for the British scene. He was so easy to root for." Moonsault Marvin

What Parv said. I will add more to this once his spot is revealed.

I talked to him up.

Anyone who thinks its absolute either way its nuts.

I might put this in my sig until it is explained. Seriously? He did every aspect of wrestling better and for longer with better results. Virtually everyone believes this and would co-sign it, so why isn't it an objective given that Bryan > Gigante? I see nothing gained by insisting on the hypothetical Gigante advocate in a world where 99.99%+ of wrestling fans would see it as a no brainier Bryan is better. The insistence on absolute subjectivity makes a mockery of what you just said. Why go to the extremes? I never said it was absolute subjective. However I also would never claim it's absolute objective. Middle ground, like all art, is where it's at.

I was hoping he could get into the 100s. I really love his work and its incredibly varied over his career.

109 - "Living Legend" Larry Zbyszko 2006 Ranking: honourable mention Points: 2014 # of Ballots: 52 Average Vote: 62.27 High Vote: 12 (Andrew Lacelle) Low Vote: 99

I might put this in my sig until it is explained. Seriously? He did every aspect of wrestling better and for longer with better results.

Exactly. I think people mistake what I'm talking about when I say "objectivity", it has nothing to do with my list or with BIGLAV or anything like that, it has to do with pointing at evidence, whether input or output, a guy's career, what actually happened etc. etc. Objectively, Kenta Kobashi had more matches period than Magnum TA. This is a fact. Magnum TA's career was short. These are tangible, measurable things. Who had more "great matches" is a subjective value judgement, but most people who have seen a good chunk of both careers, would say Kobashi had more of them than Magnum. Again, this sort of thing is in the realm of objectivity. I have a hard time thinking about the argument that takes that evidence about both bodies of work and comes out with Magnum TA as the #1 worker. To me that goes against the grain of what is there. I really hate this part. Wrestler A has more great matches than Wrestler B. Does know automatically come to the conclusion that Wrestler A > Wrestler B. Yes Kobashi is better than Magnum, however there is more to being a worker than the end quality of a match. When does match quality matter? When does it not? It's a part of the overall thin, it's just not everything. I have Christian over Michaels, yet Michaels had more great matches.

In retrospect I really should had pushed for Tyson Dux and Eric Young to be nominated.

Exactly. I think people mistake what I'm talking about when I say "objectivity", it has nothing to do with my list or with BIGLAV or anything like that, it has to do with pointing at evidence, whether input or output, a guy's career, what actually happened etc. etc. Objectively, Kenta Kobashi had more matches period than Magnum TA. This is a fact. Magnum TA's career was short. These are tangible, measurable things. Who had more "great matches" is a subjective value judgement, but most people who have seen a good chunk of both careers, would say Kobashi had more of them than Magnum. Again, this sort of thing is in the realm of objectivity. I have a hard time thinking about the argument that takes that evidence about both bodies of work and comes out with Magnum TA as the #1 worker. To me that goes against the grain of what is there. I really hate this part. Wrestler A has more great matches than Wrestler B. Does know automatically come to the conclusion that Wrestler A > Wrestler B. Yes Kobashi is better than Magnum, however there is more to being a worker than the end quality of a match.

There is a difference though, since reporting on the others is reporting on a wrestling company, while LU is reporting on a tv show. They don't do houseshows or live shows or anything, it's all canned taped stuff. Its wrestling. The Wrestling Observer Newsletter has always covered it. There is no difference. I don't really care, I don't have a sub. Him chastising anyone for caring is silly though. Helps to subscribe or be familiar with it before getting mixed up in the discussion. I follow him on twitter. I've got to stop, ti's the worst. It's just him making fun of people.

No. It is a show on El Reye network.. using US and AAA talent. Probably the best wrestling show on television. They do record their shows in bulk, so they have taped things that won't air till next year it seems. Thanks. Is it, as the name suggests, a lucha venture, or just basically a US indie? Has it got much traction - is it on the level of, say, ROH? Do they focus mainly on good matches or are there also storylines? I'm fearful of derailing the thread too much, but could someone also give me a summary of the Jeff Jarrett venture? Do they run shows? It's only a tv show. Gets more viewers than TNA or ROH. It has good matches, but is a tv show. Lots of stories and backstage scenes. For example, one wrestler is actually a dragon.

There is a difference though, since reporting on the others is reporting on a wrestling company, while LU is reporting on a tv show. They don't do houseshows or live shows or anything, it's all canned taped stuff. Its wrestling. The Wrestling Observer Newsletter has always covered it. There is no difference. I don't really care, I don't have a sub. Him chastising anyone for caring is silly though.

Here is what is left and when you will get it: Sat, April 16: 119-110 Sun, April 17: 109-101 Mon, April 18: 100-91 Tue, April 19: 90-81 Wed, April 20: 80-71 Thu, April 21: 70-61 Fri, April 22: 60-51 Sat, April 23: 50-41 Sun, April 24: 40-34 Mon, April 25: 33-26 Tue, April 26: 25-18 Wed, April 27: 17-11 Thu, April 28: 10-6 Fri, April 29: 5 Sat, April 30: 2-1

There is a difference though, since reporting on the others is reporting on a wrestling company, while LU is reporting on a tv show. They don't do houseshows or live shows or anything, it's all canned taped stuff.

No. It is a show on El Reye network.. using US and AAA talent. Probably the best wrestling show on television. They do record their shows in bulk, so they have taped things that won't air till next year it seems.

Great journalism then.

It's so simple to give a warning on a podcast though. It would take a second, yet he will just blurt shit out and spoil things.

Meltzer not understanding why people don't want LU spoiled is sad.

You don't think Hogan, Onita or Foley belong?

9 more reveals till we get to the top 100. Anyone want to guess who doesn't make it?

110 - Chigusa Nagayo 2006 Ranking: 39 Points: 2008 # of Ballots: 37 Average Vote: 46.84 High Vote: 6 (donsem43) Low Vote: 97 "Not many folks could pull off both a lovable babyface and then relentless asskicker heel in the same career. Showed such charisma in both roles, as well." Jon Burr "Her matches had a tremendous atmosphere because she was adored by the school girls in attendance. Her in-ring work was of high quality and she was a very energetic worker which added even more to her matches." stunning_grover

Watch Survivor Series 96 where Bret sells exhaustion from being in a battle, but doesn't actually no sell any moves or anything. It can be done right, what Triple H and Taker did was not right. Well, at least not good.

The 120-101 range is playing havok with my list. Sad to see Fuchi go, but glad he held onto his spot from 2006.