Everything posted by Grimmas
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Reactions to the Honorable Mention List, Part 2
That run was sad to post. Only a couple of folks left that I feel I can not personally see a case for.
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Greatest Wrestler Ever: The Honourable Mention List
233 - El Solar 2006 Ranking: honourable mention (131) Points: 400 # of Ballots: 15 Average Vote: 74.33 High Vote: 36 (JRGoldman) Low Vote: 94
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Greatest Wrestler Ever: The Honourable Mention List
234 - Abdullah the Butcher 2006 Ranking: honourable mention Points: 396 # of Ballots: 17 Average Vote: 77.71 High Vote: 32 (El Boricua) Low Vote: 100
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Greatest Wrestler Ever: The Honourable Mention List
235 - Dick Slater 2006 Ranking: honourable mention Points: 386 # of Ballots: 14 Average Vote: 73.43 High Vote: 42 (John Steffy) Low Vote: 100
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Greatest Wrestler Ever: The Honourable Mention List
236 - Roderick Strong 2006 Ranking: unranked Points: 376 # of Ballots: 14 Average Vote: 74.14 High Vote: 22 (Woof) Low Vote: 100 Recommended Match: Roderick Strong vs James Gibson (ROH, 10/2/2005)
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Wrestlers who had a lot of great matches but aren't great
It seems nonsensical for people to claim that Grimmas' position is indefensible. I'm not qualified to judge on the merits until I watch a whole bunch of Japan stuff, and re-watch all the Bret Hart matches I grew up seeing on TV, but it seems really dubious for various people to conclude there is no legitimate way to reach Grimmas' conclusions. This ranking process is inherently subjective and people are allowed to come up with different criteria in arriving at their results ... The debate is at an impasse and over now as far as I'm concerned. But I don't like one side being cast as a set of heels here, not the case. To me Steven frequently comes off like Carey here, fittingly another Canadian: The guy at wheel is reeling off all these amazing Kobashi matches and all these things Kobashi does better. And he's just saying "no Bret is better, no Bret is better" over and over again. The whole debate, in my view, came off like that. And it's why I've never been comfortable removing output -- that is hard, tangible evidence -- from the equation. There has to be evidence to back up claims. The realm of pure subjectivity in any debate descends to the level of that gif. I mean cool, if that's what you want, great, but it doesn't lend itself to actually getting to heart of anything. Seriously? meh, if that's what you think cool. I completely disagree, but whatever I'm done with debating this with you.
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Greatest Wrestler Ever: The Honourable Mention List
237 - Jerry Lynn 2006 Ranking: honourable mention Points: 361 # of Ballots: 13 Average Vote: 73.23 High Vote: 21 Low Vote: 100
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Reactions to the Honorable Mention List, Part 2
Exactly what I was going for.
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Wrestlers who had a lot of great matches but aren't great
Read the post by Stacey summarizing my thoughts. Listen to the Super Show where I lay out my case. If you don't agree with me fine, but I think Bret Hart is a better pro-wrestler than Kenta Kobashi.
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Reactions to the Honorable Mention List, Part 2
Can do the time period when people started watching easily. PWO-PTBN podcast hosts would be interesting too.
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Reactions to the Honorable Mention List, Part 2
We can do whatever you guys want.
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Reactions to the Honorable Mention List, Part 2
Anything outside top 100 doesn't really count in my books.
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Reactions to the Honorable Mention List, Part 2
Also we are at a weird spot where people are only appearing on about 10% of ballots. To put that in perspective, the lowest amount of ballots someone appeared on in the top 100 is 29% of ballots.
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Reactions to the Honorable Mention List, Part 2
Glad a few mysteries were solved today (Dylan's 95 and Raven's placement).
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Greatest Wrestler Ever: The Honourable Mention List
238 - Sasha Banks 2006 Ranking: unranked Points: 360 # of Ballots: 13 Average Vote: 73.31 High Vote: 22 (Scarlet-Left) Low Vote: 100
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Greatest Wrestler Ever: The Honourable Mention List
239 - Raven 2006 Ranking: honourable mention Points: 359 # of Ballots: 20 Average Vote: 83.05 High Vote: 44 (Mando>Eddie) Low Vote: 100
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Greatest Wrestler Ever: The Honourable Mention List
240 - Karl Gotch 2006 Ranking: honourable mention (144) Points: 351 # of Ballots: 9 Average Vote: 62 High Vote: 20 Low Vote: 100 "There is a quote by Brian Eno I quite like about how every reviewer should post their top 5 contemporary pieces next to the review to give the reader an idea of their taste or whatever. That's kind of how I see my inclusion of Karl Gotch. His lineage is one that produced my favourite wrestling and leaving him off just doesn't feel right, even if what we have of his work is just a very small sampling. I doubt it's something that would convince anyone else but it's enough for me." GOTNW
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Parejas Increibles Greatest Wrestler Ever Special - Part 2
YES!!!
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Greatest Wrestler Ever: The Honourable Mention List
241 - Batista 2006 Ranking: unranked Points: 349 # of Ballots: 15 Average Vote: 77.73 High Vote: 40 (topropepodcast) Low Vote: 100
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Greatest Wrestler Ever: The Honourable Mention List
242 - Dr. Wagner Jr. 2006 Ranking: honourable mention Points: 347 # of Ballots: 10 Average Vote: 66.30 High Vote: 41 Low Vote: 96
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Greatest Wrestler Ever: The Honourable Mention List
243 - Jeff Jarrett 2006 Ranking: unranked Points: 342 # of Ballots: 14 Average Vote: 76.57 High Vote: 46 (NotJayTabb) Low Vote: 99 "I don't enjoy watching Shawn Michaels or Kurt Angle. Jarrett gave them both their best ever matches, and the credit goes to him, not them. Super smart, underrated wrestler. Late career veteran face Jarrett had more great performances than people remember."
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Reactions to the Honorable Mention List, Part 2
She has been the best joshi worker of the last decade... but yeah my best joshi worker ever is only top 15.
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Greatest Wrestler Ever: The Honourable Mention List
244 - Mil Mascaras 2006 Ranking: honourable mention (146) Points: 341 # of Ballots: 12 Average Vote: 72.58 High Vote: 37 (Rob AnimalGlue) Low Vote: 94
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Greatest Wrestler Ever: The Honourable Mention List
245 - Asuka 2006 Ranking: unranked Points: 331 # of Ballots: 10 Average Vote: 68.10 High Vote: 7 (Scarlet-Left) Low Vote: 100
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Greatest Wrestler Ever: The Honourable Mention List
246 - Ole Anderson 2006 Ranking: unranked Points: 327 # of Ballots: 12 Average Vote: 73.75 High Vote: 32 (MikeF) Low Vote: 94