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Damn did the WWF have a roster that I am not interested in or what. I know the WWF was real good at having a great main, but shitty undercard. It's not something I want to copy. That being said, I am in a position where I am about to run the WWF area, so i need established guys in that area. Luckily I have Koloff, Valentine, Garea, Backlund, Martel, so that is a fine base. However taking over WWF TV with Billy Red Lyons as the voice, might not work. That means I am stuck taking Gorilla and I just hope that WWF undercard jobbers are left when it comes back to me. All the guys picked above me would had worked well, but alas they are gone. Monsoon to the announce booth, I guess.

Boricua, it seems, was under the assumpion that previous deals with Parv died, since the WWF died.

I was going to pop into this thread to see what people thought of Sasuke. At his prime, he was so great. What a hot streak from 94-97. It's a short streak though. I may consider voting him based on the M-Pro tags, the Liger and Dos Caras matches, but we will see. A good comparison would be maybe someone like Juventud Guerrera?

Yeah, if everybody just gets the dates they had before then Boricua just got screwed.

If they had a great product all year then the drops in September wouldn't be bad like they are now.

Nowadays I will give you that. During the Bryan feud she was really good though.

Royal Rumble 2007 is their best match. Start there. Outside of that, I remember all their matches that didn't involve LOD to be stellar. Especially the London & Kendrick.

Well Stephanie is a good promo...

Can anyone send a PM. I'm waiting to get my first piece of talent before I book my shows. Only a few days behind, hopefully not fall further.

Thanks. I hate this phrase, but let's agree to disagree.

The Shield vs Wyatts as the height of The Shield. After the Evolution feud they were broken up, so they did not come out of it looking better. In fact, all three came out of it looking worse. As for Bryan, look at his reactions from SummerSlam through the Rumble. How did Triple H make those reactions higher? Yes, he put him over, but he was already the most over person in the company. Triple H made him look good and all, but it's not like he was all the sudden a bigger star than before. Rewatch the 2013 Rumble if you have to, to remember how over he was. That is two instances were Triple H latched himself onto a super hot act and jobber to them. However, he was still latching himself onto a super hot act and did nothing to make those acts hotter. In fact immediately after both programs ended, they were worse off (broken up or facing Kane). How did either get more over by facing Triple H. Was Bryan more over the night after Mania than at the Rumble? Was The Shield more over after they broke up then against the Wyatts?

I don't want to get into this again. If you think those things are the same, enjoy thinking that. Glad you listened anyway.

Yup, yup, agree here. I don't really understand how you could say this. Best JYD matches are as good as best Edge matches. Sure Edge was more smooth and had higher end offense, but the charisma that JYD brought in the ring made his matches better. I'll take Stagger Lee/Bill Watts vs Midnight Express over any Edge match. Heck I'll even take JYD/Tito vs Funks over the majority of Edge matches. Not to mention the cool stuff coming out of the Houston footage. What makes Edge good in the ring? He was a horrible actor who had horrible offense and the majority of his "great" matches involves him spending most of the matches building traps for his opponents.

On the clock: Memphis Stampede ICW IWF

To me Flair was a great athlete, with so much charisma who did a lot of cool stuff. He has so many all-time great matches too. The problem is, I don't think he was that smart of a worker. That is the type of thing that puts him down a few spots to me.

He put the Shield over, they're all doing great in WWE. He put Bryan over, he's going to be the #1b baby face if he ever gets back. He put over John Cena, he's the biggest star in WWE for the decade since. He put over Batista 3x and he was the #2 guy for 5 years and damn good for his last run in '14 He was the only top guy to not put over Brock in his first run -Brock couldn't handle his spot, took off for the UFC, returns after 8 years and THEN puts him over(he did win the big Mania rematch, and then lost at the next show in the cage blowoff match, so this ones a push) He put over Chris Benoit 2x then cut his legs out and had Michaels as #1 face anyway -Benoit went on a murder-suicide rampage and gave WWE the worst PR ever He cooled off CM Punk's push when he was at his peak -Punk couldn't handle his spot on the card, took off for UFC He beat Sting at WrestleMania, but cheated to set up a potential rematch if Sting worked out -Sting has a great match, top of the card for Sept, and gets a major injury and may never return I dunno I think he's good judge of who's worth laying down for. And Brock has been my favorite wrestler since the day he debuted, to the day he left, and ever since he returned. Sting, Benoit and Punk all are in my top 20 all time, but Triple H is the constant and has to have his jobs mean something when they happen. That is incredibly misleading stance there. He put over the Shield, kind of. The Shield was the hottest act in the WWE (next to Bryan) after Hunter was done they had broken up and Ambrose has not been the same, Rollins is in the top spot but is nowhere near a top guy and Reigns is on the fence right now. Sure he lost to them, but they were more over before the Evolution feud. He put over Daniel Bryan? Bryan was the most over act in the company before Triple H got involved. Sure he jobbed to him in a match that shouldn't had happened and then the next month he was stuck facing Kane in an undercard match while Triple H and Evolution took on the Shield in the real main event. He did put over John Cena, true statement. Cena was over before the feud, but still that cemented him. He made Batista over ten years ago. As for the other section. Brock was a monster built as a big deal and here he is trading wins against Triple H. He barley recovered from that, what a waste of a year of him. Notice how Triple H, again, puts him self in with hot acts. For Benoit he put over Benoit the same way he put over Bryan. Don't see how they are in different categories. Punk could totally had handled the spot on the card? He left a few years later after being killed off after being the hottest act in the company with Triple H and left because Triple H was so shitty at putting everyone else down. Yes, Sting recovered for his return later in the year, doesn't mean that WrestleMania with Triple H was not pure and utter shit. Wow, what a great record Triple H has.

Come on Parv has his number 2, last I heard. Although it seems out of the top 3 is laughable. I have him 4-10.

JYD is a better draw, had more influence, more iconic and a better worker than Edge.

This.

Thanks for the comments. Really appreciate the breakdown. I doubt Khan can do the same damage here, he has a lot of time in Japan coming up. Bobby Bass is the man and I would die to see him suspended above the ring in a cage. Thinking of Burke-Koloff I am unsure on this result now. That was booked before we started to tour the WWF area and I was going to push Burke into a top role. It would work in Ontario.. but in the US, I don't think Burke could work as a top star. Might had been a misstep. At least the fans would go home happy on that one. Choshu win was a long term plan to set up the Martel-Valentine feud. Choshu is now champion. Martel was beat up pretty badly and we will see what comes from that. Valentine is on a tear path. Martel-Valentine has always been planned as the showcase feud and this was just day 1.

So let's be clear, Yes to Edge Yes to Brock Lesnar Yes to Sgt. Slaughter No to Danile Bryan No to JYD No to Ivan Koloff Yes to Huracan Ramirez No to Brazo de Oro & Brazo de Plata & El Brazo No to Cien Caras No to Ultimo Guerrero No to Karloff Lagarde No to Blue Panther No to El Signo & El Texano & Negro Navarro No to Villano III No to Dr. Wagner Jr. Ridiculous.

Which is insane and shows a real problem with the voters. That I agree with in theory. What are the examples of that? Ric Flair seemed to create a template for how heel world champs with blond hair are supposed to work. Pre-Stone Cold Austin, Michaels, HHH and probably others all emulated him. For that reason, I'd think he was strong enough to go in on work alone even if he never drew a dime. Guys like Rey and Tiger Mask became superstars in spite of their size and by working a more daredevil style inside a business that feared smaller guys getting over. I wouldn't say they changed the style where everyone was working like them, but they both showed that guys their size could get over and how to go about doing it. I don't mean to compare the two as workers because much of Sayama's work doesn't look great on videotape and Rey's work had more staying power. But Rey's more enduring work wouldn't be his HOF case -- his HOF case would be that he used his in-ring ability to do something guys his size pretty much never did in wrestling. That is why I said in theory, because those guys get in for work and influence, and drawing too.

If whoever picks up Vince allows him to do one taped promo for me, then I have an explanation planned.

Which is insane and shows a real problem with the voters. That I agree with in theory. What are the examples of that?

Angle debatable is too nice. He does not belong in under any terms.