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Even the TV match from Chicago? Loss was real high on it, I had it as the best match in ECW history. Unwatchable is a huge stretch.

They had a really great series of matches in '99 against the Dudleys.. but not enough.

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His commentary on Raw was so refreshing. He should be the new hot star in the company and facing guys like Brock and Cena, but he's not even close and is essentially dead.

Is there an example of a guy who got pushed to the top, moved down and worked as a midcarder and then became a legit drawing main eventer again?

Ok, we have found a promotion that rivals Montreal for its tag team division!

Maple Leaf Wrestling August 20, 1983 at Oshawa Civic Auditorium in Oshawa, Ontario 1. Butch Cassidy, Tiny Tom and Little Tokyo vs Tiger Jackson, Cowboy Lang & Little Coco A high tempo opener where Tokyo would only get into the ring with Jackson if he was hurt. Jackson pinned Cassidy in the end. Winners - Tiger Jackson, Cowboy Lang & Little Coco @ 10:49 2. Cuban Assassin & Bobby Bass vs Bob & Joe Marcus A squash win for the heels. Winners - Cuban Asssasin & Bobby Bass @ 5:01 3. "Outlaw" Joel Deaton vs Buzz Tyler An intense brawl ends abruptly after a big boot by Deaton knocks out Tyler. Winner - Joel Deaton @ 6:50 4. NWA Canadian Tag Team Champions Ivan Koloff & Super Russian w/ Don Carson vs Rocky Johnson & "Big" Stephen Petipas Before the match Cuban Assassin and Bobby Bass laid out Rocky Johnson leaving him bloody. The match was mostly a handi-cap match until Rocky joined in the end for the hot tag. However Koloff was able to over come and win with the flying knee. Winners - Ivan Koloff & Super Russian @ 11:50 5. Mr. Saito w/ Jesse Ventura vs Tiger Conway Jr. Mr. Torture gets the win after a few hope spots by Conway. Winner - Mr. Saito @ 7:24 6. Paul Christy vs Leo Burke Burke looks great here getting the win. Christy has control for a bit by cheating, but Burke comes on strong with a leg lariat victory. Winner - Leo Burke @ 8:00 7. Greg "The Hammer" Valentine w/ Don Carson vs Wahoo McDaniel Alexis Smirnoff came to ringside after a few times that Carson interfered on Valentine's behave. The referee gets knocked down after Valentine ducked a lariat and nailed him. At this point Smirnoff entered the ring to go after Valentine. Wahoo held Valentine and Smirnoff tried to nail him with a chair, but Valentine ducked and Wahoo got laid out. Hammer then put on the figure-four as the referee woke up and go the fall to The Hammer. Winner - Greg Valentine @ 18:25 8. NWA Canadian Champion Rick Martel vs "Dirty" Dick Murdoch A babyface vs babyface where Murdoch started to play a subtle heel as the match continued. Martel won with the slingshot splash. Winner - Rick Martel @ 21:57

Can they ever create a new star if they get a short run on top early on and then drop low on the card before moving back up?

Watching Raw and seeing the IC Title match between Miz-Big Show-Ryback and then seeing Seth Rollins doing the main event angle promo really got me thinking. I think the absolute biggest problem the WWE has is upward progression. The WWE method seems to be putting a new guy into a top program and then dropping them down the card where they never recover. The IC Title division seems to be built around failed main eventers. Shouldn't people get a run with the IC Title and then move up to the main event? I think there is very little issue with somebody being on the undercard and then moving up, while there is a huge problem with getting a main event run and then moving to the bottom of the card. After you drop like that it is really difficult to move someone back up.

I am loving this promotion. So true to form and really great talent pool. Great use of Jim Cornette.

Some of us never want to watch a Benoit match again.

I really want to put Vachon on there, I love his 80s stuff. Really need to watch the 70s stuff though.

Tajiri. Waltman. Muraco. Dustin.

2013 trumps all other SummerSlams, because it has the two best matches in the history of SummerSlam as well as another top 20 match. No other show in WWE history has that string of great matches, regardless of the other stuff on the show. 2005 was over rated, but Mysterio-Eddie rules!!! I kind of agree that those shows you listed should be looked at more, but the main events were so shitty they make the whole card look bad. Plus I hate Shawn-HHH from 02.

Good analysis. I prefer Punk basically from the start until late 2013-14, then Hero over takes from there. It's close at points, but I can see it. Just a surprise to see how much higher he got.

We'll see how high Waltman and Tajiri get on my list too. Personal favourites are going to be fun to watch to see where they get placed.

I hope he drops off completely.

Besides missing Hansen, this list is pretty good. I'd also ask about Hero being so above Punk.

I've been working on a poster that isn't coming out right to promote the Maple Leaf Gardens show on August 30th. Until I can get it nice, here is what is booked for that show. Main Event for the NWA Canadian Title Champion Rick Martel vs Mr. Saito with Jesse Ventura NWA Canadian Tag Team Titles Match in a Steel Cage Champions Ivan Koloff and Super Russian with Don Carson vs Wahoo McDaniel and Buzz Tyler with Alexis Smirnoff Toronto Street Fight Rocky Johnson and "Big" Stephen Petipas vs Cuban Assassin and Chicky Starr with "No Class" Bobby Bass NWA Midget Title Champion Little Tokyo vs Tiger Jackson WWF Intercontinental Title Match Champion Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat vs Greg "The Hammer" Valentine Plus Andre the Giant and much much more!

I think a better idea would be to tape try outs at the performance center and make some kind of documentary style show instead of some reality style show. I would at least watch that.