Grimmas

Amazing speed caught me off guard. I went to bed assuming there was no chance I would pick until this afternoon and wake up to see I was on the clock all night. I under estimated you guys..

I can't believe Dylan took Rick Valentine right before I was going to. I was psyched that I found someone of that value this late...

Maple Leaf Wrestling selects Rick Patterson.

Taker-Rey at RR2010 is one of my favourite big-little men matches of all-time.

Have value? Yes. Enjoyable? Yes. More fun? Yes. Better? Absolutely not. There is lots of things I love, not all of them are great or even good.

So, I can say Good Charlotte is better than The Beatles and there is nothing wrong with that statement? It's my opinion, so it's all cool? Well...yes? I mean I personally would disagree with you, as I imagine a lot of people would. But that doesn't make either of us right or wrong. You're perfectly entitled to think that. You can think anything you want, doesn't make it right. There is no argument you can make for this being the case. You can enjoy Good Charlotte more all you want, but doesn't mean they are better.

Yes and what is wrong with that!

What possible point are you trying to reach? That Gigante is better at doing a shitty Gigante match than Flair is at doing a shitty Gigante match and that some how means you can argue Gigante is better than Flair?

He was a wrestler/announcer. Since Toronto has no other announcers and Lyons was old and shitty, then he is my announcer.

So, I can say Good Charlotte is better than The Beatles and there is nothing wrong with that statement? It's my opinion, so it's all cool?

This. It's all well and good to say all art is subjective and is in the eye of the beholder. However, going with that leads it possible to say El Gigante is a better wrestler than Ric Flair which is just plain wrong. Obviously it gets more difficult when discussing Jumbo vs Flair, but that doesn't mean there is not a correct answer. Where do you draw the line though? Where is the middle ground between Gigante and Flair where the argument for them goes from being "wrong" to merely "subjective opinion"? Who falls out of the realm of being able to be called objectively good? Who decides where that line is drawn? Is there a meeting? How do they decide? As insane as it sounds, someone having the opinion that Gigante is a great wrestler is not factually incorrect. It's not a question of facts. That's not to say it's a particularly credible or trustworthy or defensible opinion to have, but it's an opinion nonetheless. Can opinions ever be wrong?

For now.. jumps happen later, promotions split up and form a new in the future.

Is wrestling an artform or a skill/craft. You can be really skilled at the craft of pro-wrestling (Randy Orton) but does that make you a great wrestler (because your matches are boring)?

Hmmm.... my wife just pointed out that we have to distinguish between craft and art. The Hendrix example may beak down because Hendrix is clearly better at the craft of playing guitar then me, but does that make him a better artist? I need to think more about this.

This. It's all well and good to say all art is subjective and is in the eye of the beholder. However, going with that leads it possible to say El Gigante is a better wrestler than Ric Flair which is just plain wrong. Obviously it gets more difficult when discussing Jumbo vs Flair, but that doesn't mean there is not a correct answer.

JerryvonKramer: Flyin' Brian: Jesse Ewiak: TravJ1979: Wahoos Leg:

Wouldn't we need an All Japan booker too and those two do a draft of talent, same as in North America?

Billy Red Lyons is my announcer, so not available.

So, NWA President: Bob Geigel or Fred Ward (represented by KrisZ) NWA Board: Eddie Graham Jack Tunney Vince McMahon Stu Hart Don Owen Jim Crocket Am I missing anything?

Parv and I on the same side, everybody back off!

goc, dawho check your inbox.

Link two posts up. I'm starting watching now. Chat in here or start a new message thread?

Episode of Portland from September 1983?

Let's do this goc!

That's not art though, that's ascribing standards which do not exist in the medium. Because if that's the case, then you say, "Pineapple Express is great, the way that they filmed the intro was pure class," and I can't say anything in return because you can't argue an objective standard. I'm not saying we can't argue. I'm not using it to shut down arguments and I also don't have much evidence for it. It just seems fishy to me that the more someone gets into an art the more their views change and a lot of people's views converge.