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This is also the best of the three. I'm just saying!

Welcome Word Hoard, also nice to see another Torontion and Spider-Man fan!

I finally figured out what I hate about this 15 year rule, and it's not the 15 years that is the problem. It's the early eligibility. If you get put on at 30 and don't get in, you are thrown off at 45. 45 seems way too young to be taken off the ballot forever.

I heard a rumour that you don't have 1989 as a top two show? Well, on a future Rewind we looked at 1989 and had it in the top two, if not number one!

Thanks Chad, I think it was one of the strongest episodes in a long time. Here is a question for everyone, is there any other variations on another group or other variations you would like to hear?

Some would call that strategic though, I think that is Dylan's point. Strategic in a way that you don't like the style and are opposed to it, so Volk Han is not getting your vote.

Wouldn't it had been smart for Goldberg to squash jobbers and lower card guys, a few main eventers all year and go undefeated and then face Taker at Mania and lose? He could had been like 75-0 or something against the streak. Keep him away from the title and Hunter and just have him beat up the Rosey's, Hurricanes and Sylvain Grenier's of the world.

Dave clearly doesn't think reflection is important for the hall of fame. The way I see it is, that people should be post prime before they are on the ballot, or even later. What the heck is the rush to vote for Tanahashi while he is still a main eventer? Danielson/CM Punk, etc.. why can't we wait 5-10 years and see how they fit into history. At the minimum the criteria should be like the rock and roll hall of fame of 25 years after their first match.

That's the thing about Murdoch, he's talked about a lot, but has anyone actually done the research on him as a draw?

I praise your dedication to this project. My issue with wrestling is that I become so unfocussed. I start with a 80's set, then I want to watch minis, then current day stuff, then all ppvs in order, then all ppvs from 95 instead, then just Muraco matches. It makes the complete narrative of wrestling really confusing to say the least. I kind of want to pick something and go through it, for sure, but whether that's 80's, 90's an entire promotion, that is too hard to choose, so I just flip around things in the mean time.

It completely depends on how you define strategic. You can go as broad as I don't like lucha, so I won't watch any, therefore I won't vote for any. That is a strategic vote in a sense, and things like that will happen with most people from World of Sport, Shoot Style, Memphis to lucha.

More minis. Mascarita Dorada/El Torito seems like a lock at this point. Mascarita Sagrada I need to see more, but has a chance. Espectricito is the same as Sagrada. There are tons more though that need further evaluation, but look awesome in the bits I have seen including: Mini Abismo Negro and Demus 3:16.

http://placetobenation.com/pro-wrestling-super-show-variations-on-the-horsemen/ Host: Steven Graham Guests: Tim Livingston, Charles (Wrestling with the Past) & Will (Good Will Wrestling) On this week’s episode we explore the variations on the Horsemen. Including giving our own dream Horsemen, Horsewomen, Texan Horsemen, current-day Horsemen and even choose your own adventure Horsemen. Enjoy this discussion on the Horsemen!

I hope the point Parv was trying to make is that people on this site are more willing to watch the footage then to either go by memory or from what considered norms. The amount of times I see that Luger stinks or Michaels is easy number one of all-time on other sites is quite sad. Watch the footage, those things are not true.

An epic conclusion of hours and hours of talk!

That's the thing about this place, you can have any opinion you want, just back it up. If you think Kane is great, that is fine, just explain why and make a case. People attack this board, because they have an opinion that is unpopular here and get mad when others don't have that opinion. Often times they don't try to back it up or see another side, they are just mad that people don't agree with Meltzer.

My list with maybe Bret sneaking into the top 10 and Negro Casas, Satanico, El HIjo del Santo as potentials.

If you define rookie as a newcomer in a regular promotion, than he is a rookie. I am all for voting the way it's listed, as opposed to intended. Maybe it will make him change the rules in the future.

What value?

As a Mod I just want to point out that if you are warned numerous times to stop doing one thing and you continue to do it over and over again, then you run the risk of being banned. How many warnings do you think are fair, because whatever number you come up with, Rovert had more warnings than that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRVj-4I58N8 Parkita & Mini Cibernequito vs Mini Mankind & Mini Goldust (AAA 1997) I love La Parka, so I was really curious to see La Parkita. Man, what I would give to see a La Parka & Cibernetico vs Goldust & Mankind match, but alas, this will have to do. THERE IS A MINI PAUL BEARER!!!!!!! Classic 3 falls version here. 1st Fall: Mini Goldust is pretty great with cheap shots here and awesome taunting posing to Ciber and strutting to Parkita. He even does a Rick Rude sell of an atomic drop. Parkita hits a huge tope on Mankind leaving Ciber and Goldust alone with Ciber countering a backdrop into a hurrancanrana for the pin. For the first fall. Some fun stuff, but sloppy. 2nd Fall: Vicious dropkick by Goldust. Then he completely misses a springboard corner dropkick which gets sold by CIber... Ciber is also a huge dick, as Goldust has Parkita in a camel clutch and Ciber comes in and cheers a lot before making the save. Parkita returns the favour when Mankind has Ciber in a hold. I feel these partners are turning on each other. Holy Shit! Ciber tries a sommersault plancha, his legs get hooked on the ropes and he falls upside on his head on the concrete. Ouch. I rewound that 3 times.Goldust got his knees up a little for help. Parkita has Goldust down, Paul Bearer makes the save with brass knuckles and then sprints to the back as Mankind and Goldust are DQ'd. Parkita is out cold. A fun but sloppy affair. Such a weird contest to see, I would give this a recommendation. I just looked it up on lucha wiki and Mini Goldust is Mini Abismo Negro and Mini Karis La Momia, so I have a new person to look out for. Dinastia & Mascarita Sagrada vs Mini Abismo Negro & Mini Histeria (AAA 2014.10.10) I thought would give Mini Goldust a second look, so here we go. Histeria & Abismo come out in matching outfits like a true tag team to cool music and we have a six-sided ring. Dinastia comes out to Red Hot Chilli Peppers and Sagrada comes out to Undertaker dance music. Wow, I'm psyched now!! Goldust has filled out a little in the last 8 years, so he should be more bad ass now. Dinastia and Goldust have a fun mat sequence to start and then Sagrada and Histeria tag in and its a fun sprint all of the sudden. Straight to tag team bad assery by Histeria & Goldust. They even swing Sagrada around by his mask and toss him. They pull of a top rope leg drop version of the Demolition move! They double team one guy, throw him out, other comes in and they double team him. This is lots of fun so far. However, a miscue leads to a technico comeback and Dinastia unloads with some awesome strikes and they go back to the mat. Another few miscues and then Dinastia does the Ultimo Dragon kicks and Histeria cuts him off and then dances!!! Goldust with a big DDT on Sagrada and a huge slap, but Sagrada stealds Dorada's submission and everyone is back in. Dinastia is quite the impressive high flyer. Huge belly to belly from top rope by Goldust, but the count is broken up. Sagrada with a flying headscissors from top rope to floor which leaves Histeria and Dinastia alone. Dinastia connects with a (450?) splash for two and then misses a plash and goes to the floor. Sagrada with a hurrancanrana for the win. OK, this is my new favourite match ever! OK, maybe not but the fun level on this one was way up. Awesome dives, great heel tag team antics, amazing taunts and everyone looked great. This was kind of like Dick Togo & Shiryu vs Gran Hamada & Great Sasuke if you need a comparison. Check this one out. Easily *** 1/2 if not more.

Little Coco & Karate Kid vs Little Tokyo & Killer Cruz (WWC 1991) We head into Puerto Rico for some Little Tokyo!!! This one is JIP. Tokyo is a grizzled veteran at this point and is awesome. There is some comedy you would expect, but damn you get this real cool spot where the faces pick up Cruz and use him to do a bettering ram on Tokyo in the corner a few times. It looked vicious and great. The heels start cheating to get the heat and do some old school heel tag actions. Cruz even hits a nice belly to belly suplex. Coco is decent enough as a FIP, but Tokyo and Cruz are the stars here.There was the token mini thrown into ref after kick out spot which I hate. Karate Kid gets a hot tag and does some fancy karate for the win. A fun and solid southern style tag match. El Torito vs Hornswoggle (WWE Smackdown, 2014.04.18) I didn't realize they wrestled on Smackdown, so I was excited since their PPV matches were so awesome. They start with headlocks and old school wrestling like push off run ropes into body check. Then Torito shows off his awesome spots with a headscissors and a dropkick. A vicious throw into the turnbuckle by Hornswoggle and then he hits the Yokozuna bomb, but does the silly comedy afraid of height thing. HUGE LARIAT by Hornswoggle and he does a great Hansen impersonation. JBL and Cole are horrible here, though, over hyping this in a mocking fashion. Almost a death bodyslam by Hornswoggle! He taunts the Matadores and a nice hope spot roll up by Torito for two. Come back by Torito and it's great seeing Dorada incorporating bull movements into his already great routine. It's great he can go from awesome Rey Jr. esque wrestler to comedy Rey Jr. wrestler so easily. Big moonsault by Torito for a win. A very fine 5 minute TV match. WWE TV needs more Torito.

Matt D EDIT: Also, look at what I said. I backed up my position and you said it is a nostalgia vote? Do you think match structure and strategy is not important? How about working successfully as babyfaces and heels? What part of what I said was wrong or wrong enough for you to assume I am just trying to justify my nostalgia.

What I love about Demolition is that you can see strategy in their matches. They cut off the ring and double team and tag in and out like few tag teams. As heels they were great with structure and I enjoyed so many of their matches. As babyfaces they were interesting and had some good matches like The Brainbusters series or The Twin Towers matches. They will probably make my list. This is the ultimate great matches vs great performances debate.

I loved every single Rock & Roll match they had and in those they seem like an all-time great team. A Stomper list would be nice here, because I enjoy the heck out of what I saw.