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Here is the list from the last poll in 2006 in alphabetical order. Top 25: Aja Kong Akira Hokuto Bret Hart Chris Benoit Dynamite Kid Eddie Guerrero El Hijo del Santo Genichiro Tenryu Harley Race Jaguar Yokoda Jumbo Tsuruta Jushin "Thunder" Liger Kenta Kobashi Mitsuharu Misawa Nobuhiko Takada Rey Mysterio Jr. Ric Flair Ricky Steamboat Shinya Hashimoto Stan Hansen Steve Austin Terry Funk The Destroyer Toshiaki Kawada Vader Remaining of the Top 100: Adrian Adonis Akira Taue Akira Maeda Antonio Inoki Arn Anderson Atlantis Barry Windham Billy Robinson Blue Panther Bob Backlund Bobby Eaton Brian Pillman Bull Nakano Chigusa Nagayo Chris Jericho Curt Hennig Dan Kroffatt Dave Finlay Dean Malenko Devil Masami Dick Murdoch Dick Togo Dory Funk Jr. Dump Matsumoto Dynamite Kansai El Dandy El Samurai Giant Baba Great Sasuke Hiro Hase Hulk Hogan Jack Brisco Jerry Lawler Jun Akiyama Kazuo Yamazaki Keiji Mutoh Kiyoshi Tamura Kurt Angle Kyoko Inoue Lioness Asuka Lou Thesz Manami Toyota Marc Rocco Mariko Yoshida Masahiro Chono Mayumi Ozaki Mick Foley Naoki Sano Negro Casas Nick Bockwinkel Owen Hart Psicosis Randy Savage Rick Rude Rick Martel Ricky Morton Riki Choshu Satanico Sgt. Slaughter Shawn Michaels Shinjiro Ohtani Shiro Koshinaka Steve Williams Steve Regal TAKA Michinoku Tatsumi Fujinami Ted Dibiase Terry Gordy The Rock Tiger Mask Tommy Rogers Toshiyo Yamada Tully Blanchard Ultimo Dragon Volk Han Others that Received Votes: 2 Cold Scorpio Abdullah the Butcher AJ Styles AKIRA Akitoshi Saito Alexander Otsuka Andre the Giant Andrei Kopylov Animal Antonio Rocca Apolo Dantes Archie Gouldie Art Barr Atushi Onita Ayako Hamada Azumi Hyuga Bad News Allen Bad Boy HIDO Bam Bam Bigelow Beef Wellington Ben Bassareb Big Boss Man Big Show Big Bruno Elrington Bill Dundee Bill Goldberg Bill Eadie Bill Watts Bill Longson Bison Kimura Black Man Black Buffalo Blue Demon Bob Orton jr. Bobo Brazil Booker T Brad Armstrong Brazo De Oro Brazo De Plata Brock Lesnar Bronko Nagurski Bruiser Brody Bruno Sammartino Bryan Danielson Buddy Rogers Buddy Landell Buddy Rose Butch Reed Butch Miller Buzz Sawyer Candy Okutsu Carl Malenko Carlos Colon Chavo Guerrero Chavo Guerrero Jr. Chic Cullen Chikayo Nagashima Chris Adams Chris Candido Chris Hero Christopher Daniels Ciclon Ramirez CIMA Clive Myers CM Punk Combat Toyoda Condor Saito Crusher Blackwell Cuty Suzuki Daisuke Ikeda Dan Spivey Danny Hodge Danny Collins Darkness Dragon Davey Boy Smith Debbie Malenko Dennis Condrey Diamond Dallas Page Dick Slater Dick The Bruiser Dick Shikat Dino Bravo D-Lo Brown Don Muraco Don Leo Jonathan Dory Funk Sr. Dos Caras Doug Furnas Doug Gilbert Dr Wagner Dragon Kid Dream Machine Dustin Rhodes Dusty Rhodes Dutch Mantell Eagle Sawai Ebessan Eddie Gilbert Eddie Graham Edge El Texano El Canek El Faraon El Signo El Felino El Santo El Halcon El Brazo El Solitario Emilio Charles Jr. Ernie Ladd Espectrito Etsuko Mita Frank Gotch Fred Blassie Fuerza Guerrera Gama Singh Gary Albright Gedo Gene Kiniski Genki Horiguchi Gino Hernandez Gorgeous George Gran Hamada Gran Apache Greg Valentine Haku Hayabusa Heavy Metal Hector Garza Herodes Hikari Fukoaka Hiromi Yagi Hiroshi Tanahashi Hiroyoshi Tenzan Hisakatsu Oya Horst Hoffman Ikuto Hidaka Iron Sheik Ivan Koloff Jackie Saito Jacques Rogeau Jado Jake Roberts Jamie Knoble Javier Cruz Jerry Estrada Jerry Graham Jerry Lynn Jim Breaks Jim Londos Jimmy Snuka Jinzei Shinzaki Jody Fleisch Joe Malenko John Bradshaw Layfield Johnny Saint Johnny Valentine Johnny Smith Johnny Kidd Johnny Ace Johnny Eagles Jonathan Boyd Juventud Guerrera Kane Kanunari Murakami KAORU Karl Gotch Kato Kung Lee Katsuyori Shibata Kauro Ito Kazushi Sakuraba Keith Hayward Ken Patera Ken Lucas Kensuke Sasaki KENTA Kerry Von Erich Killer Kowalski Kintaro Kanemura Kodo Fuyuki Koji Kanemoto Koji Nakagawa Kumiko Maekawa Kuniaki Kobayashi La Parka La Fiera Larry Zybszko Leo Burke Les Thornton Les Kellet Lizmark Low Ki Luke Williams Mad Dog Vachon Magnum Tokyo Magnum TA Manny Fernandez Marabunta Marty Jannetty Marty Jones Masa Fuchi Masa Saito Masaaki Mochuziku Masahito Kakihara Masakatsu Funaki Masato Tanaka Mascarito Sagrada Mascaro Ano 2000 Matt Borne Matt Hardy Megumi Kudo Meiko Satomura Michael Hayes Michiko Ohmukai Mick McManus Mick McMichael Mika AKINO Mike Rotundo Mike Awesome Mikey Whipwreck Mikhail Illiokhine Mil Mascaras Milano Collection AT Mima Shimoda Mimi Hagiwara Minoru Suzuki Mistico Momoe Nakanishi Mr Gannosuke Mr Wrestling MS1 Naomichi Marufuji Necro Butcher Negro Navarro Nikita Koloff Octagoncito Osamu Nishimura Osamu Kido Pat Patterson Pat O’ Connor Pat Tanaka Pat Roach Paul Orndorff Pedro Morales Perro Aguayo Perry Saturn Pete Roberts Phil Hickerson Pierroth Pimpinela Escarlata Pirata Morgan Plum Mariko Porkchop Cash Ran Yu Yu Raven Ray Stevens Raymond Rogeau Rey Bucanero Rikidozan Rip Rogers Rob Van Dam Robbie Brookside Robert Gibson Roddy Piper Ron Garvin Sabu Sakie Hasegawa Sakura Hirota Samoa Joe Sandman Sangre Chicana Satoshi Kojima Scott Steiner Scott Hall Scott Norton Sean Waltman Shelton Benjamin Shinobu Kandori Shocker Sid Vicious Silver King Solar I Sonoko Kato Stan Lane Steve Grey Steve Wright Sting Super Delfin Super Astro Super Crazy SUWA Suzuka Minami Takako Inoue Talisman Tamon Honda Tatsuhito Taikawa Tatsuo Nakano Terry Taylor Tetsuhiro Kuroda The Sheik The Spoiler The Cobra The Bloody The Crusher Thunderbolt Patterson Tito Santana Tom Pritchard Tomoko Watanabe Tony St. Clair Tony Charles Toshie Uematsu Tracey Smothers Triple H Tsuyoshi Kikuchi Tsuyoshi Kohsaka Ultimo Guerrero Undertaker Universo 2000 Val Venis Verne Gagne Vic Faulkner Villano III Villano IV Virus Volador Wahoo McDaniel Wayne Bridges Yoji Anjoh Yoshiaki Fujiwara Yoshiaki Yatsu Yoshihiro Takayama Yoshihiro Tajiri Yoshihisa Yamamoto Yoshiko Tamura Yoshinari Ogawa Yoshinobu Kanemaru Yuji Nagata Yuki Ishikawa Yukihiro Kanemura Yumi Fukawa Yumi Ikeshita Yumiko Hotta Zumbido

I like this idea. My main issue with drawing and context is, why should I care? It's great that a match drew a ton or was important to the history of wrestling, but ultimately all that matters to me is match quality. Not even in a workrate sense, but just that the match be of a certain quality. I have never read a compelling argument for why a match making money for a promoter should matter when it comes to that match being viewed as a great, good, bad, etc. match. To use an analogy, Transformers made a ton of money, it drew huge and one could argue that it's use of CG was important. But, neither of those things matter when it comes to the actual quality of the film. Wrestling and wrestling matches are the same, making money is great for those who get some of the money but otherwise it's a metric that has little to no value in a respectable "greatest of" discussion. (Unless of course that discussion is specifically about who drew the most/made the most money). Sight & Sound or AFI do not take into account how much money the movie made when making their greatest movies list.

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Nothing else makes sense is not really a proof, because it's impossible to know every scenario possible to eliminate them.

What kind of numbers is going to work out? Also, how is the voting going to work? Will it be ten matches like WON or some other system?

but not so many nominees that nobody gets in.

Probably should break stuff into time too. Like Pre-1980's should be a category.

I like the ten year rule, more than 5. Gives more time for perspective.

I'll watch as much Bull Nakano as I can... I'll try to keep an open mind on the rest.

There will be a sub forum up soon and all of the talk can go in there.

I've been pondering this exact idea for a year now.

My goal is to watch a bit of everyone nominated. We'll see how that goes.

It was a generic, is there anyone interested in this type of question. It's happening now, so hopefully the people who have shown interest will participate.

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I think you would love Drew Gulak. Although, he'll never make the list.

Here is my take, and we can discuss this. Footage has to be available for someone to be voted for. So that obviously rules out some people that are brought up as all time greats. Now, if we are voting based on the footage of guys we have seen (not on reputation) then I think that negates a lot about drawing. However, it doesn't completely eliminate it for this reason. Some people feel guys on the undercard aren't putting on great matches, because they aren't in the main event having more time and focus. So, it will have a bearing, whether obvious or not. For example, Hogan will be on a ballot, but not in the top tier.

I'm completely game! Plus, I want to do a bunch of podcasts devoted to this as well.

This concerns me a bit in that this seems like it will invariably exclude some wrestlers deserving of consideration. There is a simple work around which leads to the point of this. If you want to vote for someone that is not eligible, then you go ahead and make the thread and review the matches. If you think someone is overlooked, nominate someone and show why they are over looked. I think this is plus, not a negative. Everyone is eligible, if somebody wants to make the argument.

Dylan and I have been discussing this for a while and I feel it is time to see if there is interest out there. The last time there was a major, greatest wrestling of all time voting process was 2006. I love the Sight & Sound best movie ever model of voting every 10 years, so doing a new poll in 2016 seems like a great idea to me. Here is my thoughts on this and how it should go. This is just a thread to see if there is interest or to see if there are ideas out there to make this whole process better. 1) Ballot due the day of WrestleMania of 2016. 2) You can only vote for eligible wrestlers. A wrestler becomes eligible if there is a microscope thread for him with at least three reviewed matches in it. 3) You vote for 100 wrestlers, no more or less. (Maybe negotiate a 50 or 100 ballot). 4) Weighted voting, so that top picks are valued more. So.. interest? Is this a worth while project?

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