Grimmas

A scenario where Bret is the one in charge of creative and Triple H fades into obscurity is a scenario I am ok with. Trips was getting pushed, he won KOTR and was feuding with Foley on the under card. DX had just started, without the name, but without HBK I don't know. Triple H maybe leaves for WCW as soon as he could?

He did have Taker.

So with Bret around, Foley never gets his moment? Quite possible. I don't think that made or would break the boom though. Rock/Austin and McMahon is all that matters really.

He was pretty down the card in 95 no problem and his contract was for 3 years wrestling (so 99) then going to backstage role. He probably does steal Foley's 99 reigns, but I don't see that changing history too much. I think Rock may had been more over beating Bret than Foley in 99?

Vince was headed towards that anyways. The night Vince said he couldn't pay Bret was the night he was stunnered in MSG. Vince played a heel in Memphis, Austin was anti authority, I think a McMahon-Austin feud still happens.

Bret putting both over huge and then moving down the card would not be enough? Austin beats Bret for the title at Mania. Then Rock gets a singles feud with Bret elevating him to the top? Bret still probably retires in 2000?

In Marvel I really love What If? comics as it's fun to explore if things were different. I thought it would be fun to play that with wrestling. What if... Vince chose Bret over Shawn? In September 1997 Vince approaches Bret and tells him he can't afford his contract anymore, was going to breach it, and Bret can either take a huge pay cut or try to get the WCW deal before the WWE goes under. What if he approaches Shawn instead? Shawn just signed a huge contract as well and asking Shawn to go instead would accomplish the same thing. It wasn't all money, but Shawn/Bret obviously weren't going to work together going forward. What changes? Bret holds the title till Mania and drops it to Austin then jump starting Austin as the top star. Tyson can easily come in and still help draw a huge buy rate. Going forward Bret is around, while Shawn was injured. What would Bret be doing post Mania. It would probably be like 95 where he was in the middle of the card? Bret/Owen tag titles run? I think the chances of Austin/McMahon feud still going on is pretty good. They had already started with Austin being anti authority, stunnering Slaughter and JR. I think it's a natural evolution. Could the McMahon character be as over not screwing Bret? Attitude era. I think with Austin/Rock as top stars, it still would had been as big without being as dirty. Bret would be against a lot of the things attitude did, but I don't think it matters with Austin/Rock as the stars. Owen doesn't get Blue Blazer gimmick, does it save his life? Does the boom happen? Do the Radicalz still jump? With Bret/Owen around that only seems like positives. Shawn in WCW? It didn't work with Bret, Shawn being in nWo with Hogan there seems like it wouldn't had worked earlier. I guess you speed up the Wolfpac break up. Does Shawn still get injured? Does his drug problems get even worse? Does he work in WCW? Any other WCW affects? Overall if you do this switch does the WWF do better or worse? Does WCW do better or worse? What do you think?

I'd rather they just make NXT 50/50 men/women then give them their own show.

Here's hoping.

I really don't understand what they are doing with Sami Zayn's backstage character? What are they even going for? How is this supposed to be a babyface? they are making him a super nerd or something?

I was live at the ROH show last night in Toronto. Really a bunch of nothing matches with Jay Lethal vs Kushida being pretty good, about 3 stars. The main event was Omega//Young Bucks vs Daniels/Kazarian/Tanahashi. Just a spot fest with bad comedy and sloppyness and two million super kicks. If you like that, you'll like this. They should do the pick a name out of the hat and have Cheeseburger win the world title.

I think Super Porky and Maximo Sexy, but it might be Ric and Charlotte.

So many good options. Who you got?

If they can make a great movie about Facebook, then people can make a great movie about anything. It really depends on who is involved in the process.

I meant in the out of nowhere being given a title shot on ppv push, not so much the gimmick.

Jinder's push is essentially the same thing they did with JBL, isn't it?

The moment Big E vs AJ is booked I will be the world's happiest person!

Owens replacing Ambrose is an upgrade, so 1-0 for SD.

As someone who only watches sd this part one has been good. Lost a few good takents but got rid of some talents that brought the show down. AJ staying, when everybody saying ge was gone, is huge.

A Reigns and Usos trios running things as heels would be great. WWE trios matches usually work great.

Thats just wrong. Both statements are incorrect. Like just about everything, its not that black and white. In many fields there are likely countless anecdotes suggesting that performers are not fans, and others suggesting they very much are. But people like big, loud statements and aren't on board with exceptions or contrary evidence that adds any kind of nuance to such discussions. Some performers are clearly fans, that is undeniable. Listen to Waltman or Bret or Austin talk about watching footage. Listen to Rivers Cuomo talk about other music. Performers can be fans. Saying performers aren't fans in any art is a plain wrong statement. I never asserted the opposite, that all performers are fans, that isn't true either.

Thats just wrong.

Shit didn't realize it was NWA. CMLL disowned NWA and refuses to work with them in January.

No, just take whoever for the tournament as long as they aren't in Japan at the time.

Personal stuff has come up, and I need three months away from this stuff. You can give CMLL off to somebody if you want, if not just pretend they are still running and I will be back in the summer, ready to go, hopefully.