Grimmas

Was there any answer to the question in the OP that would've made you change this decision? What happened in the last two months? just curious. No idea. This thread was to try to understand why this was happening more than anything else. The last two months just had me thinking about this shit more often, more than any events happening. Also time is limited. Your first statement is incredibly immature, but you probably already know that. What if someone watched Canis Lupus vs. Trauma I and didn't think it was a MOTYC? Do you want people to give it a chance or to concur with your every assessment? If you're going to pick & choose your wrestling based on who else watches it you're only spiting yourself. Try to stick to what you actually enjoy regardless of who else comprises the audience. It's really immature to do what 90% of fans do? To turn that around, if I watch what highly praised puro match and didn't like it, does that mean I gave puro a chance? What I am talking about is not people giving something a chance and not liking it. There are people who will try to watch highly praised stuff, but they are the minority. The majority go, I don't get lucha and ignore the whole thing. I stick to what I enjoy, the difference is I used to feel obligated to watch all the highly praised stuff. That usually means lots of NJPW stuff. All that has changed is me feeling obligated to watch it. For a few years (13-15) I watched a TON of NJPW, because that is the praised stuff. There was some good stuff and some bad stuff. I never really dug it. I have limited watching time, why should I waste any of that on NJPW? What I want to do is really focus in on what I like and try to shine some light on it. Lucha is not inferior to puro, but it is obviously seen that way by the masses. The only small thing I can do is focus my viewing habits onto what I think is good, not what the masses feel is good. How is that immature?

Ryan (Brian?) Ward seems to be the difference between the two shows.

If people were truly giving lucha a fair shot then there would be more than 1 Lucha Match of the Year 1 Lucha Thesz/Flair Winner 1 Lucha Most Oustanding Wrestler (although he worked in WCW) In the history of the WON awards and luchadors would had done better in the GWE.

The talent is out there, just no one has the money or the intelligence to challenge. TNA had Spike and money, but were too stupid to make a ran at anything.

Well I may be the biggest fan of these out there, so I appreciate it. Although Keith Lee vs Brian Cage not being hoot of the year is a damn shame.

One thing I've learned over the last two months is that I am going to treat puro the same way puro fans treat lucha. In the past if somebody made a MOTY list and left off something like Canis Lupus vs Trauma I I'd be annoyed, because I went out of the way to watch those hyped NJPW matches. It's pretty obvious it's not a two way street. I don't really see a reason to watch puro anymore. I used to feel that would make my opinions invalid, but it's pretty clear it doesn't, since lucha is being ignored in the same way.

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts. It's going to sneak into my top ten for this year.

You seen Delta vs Galactar mask match yet?

Sasha vs Charlotte in a HIAC is a match you didn't list, that is a top 3 match for me this year.

People not liking lucha is not the lucha. The issue is it getting completely ignored or the majority of people just thinking the whole thing sucks. While, puro (especially current NJPW) get this insane amount of praise all the time. Why is this? That is the question posed. Is it really that lucha sucks and puro rules or is there something else going on here? I think it was nailed earlier in the thread with there being a learning curve and people's reaction to that.

Very excited! I have been waiting for this for week's now.

Parv, how can you possibly believe a luchador legend Negro Casas doesn't wrestle like a luchador? Instead of thinking such a ridiculous thing, maybe you should re-evaluate what you think lucha libre is.

Weird, watching this week's lucha and the first trios match I watched included a number of chops and the first fall ended with a vicious head dropping suplex.

Are you comparing a whole super long 83 year history of super diverse wrestling to one wrestler and one company?

The difference being is people who like Memphis and Lucha did not think all the other styles suck, while people who like the other 4 think lucha and sometimes Memphis suck. Why is that? That is why I am trying to figure out.

Wait, there are no suplexes or chops in lucha? Since when?

Just a utterly ridiculous statement. Unless you want to say that about all wrestling.

I've been curious about this topic for a long time. Puro, by most fans, is considered the best wrestling. It's constantly praised above all other wrestling. On the other hand, lucha is just ignored or mocked and gets praise only from really small circles. GWE was a great example where puro dominated things and a luchador couldn't crack the top 10. Does this come down to coverage from places like Dave or that lucha was developed differently, while puro was developed like American wrestling? It's just very odd to me.

It's easily making my top ten matches of the year! Really a treasure of a match. By the way, post match, Galactar proposes to his girlfriend.

Those are some crazy main events! The lucha trios vs NJPW trios sounds amazing.

CMLL "Super Viernes" January 4, 1985 Arena Mexoc 1) Tony Acre y Vulcano vs Kato Kung Lee y Moguro 2) El Solar (captain) y Super Astro y Ultraman vs Jerry Estrada (captain) y Espanto Jr. y Talisman 3) Mexican National Light Heavyweight Title Match: Champion Valente Fernandez (seconded by Gran Cochisse) vs Negro Casas (seconded by Black Terry) 4) Los Brazos (Brazo de Oro (captain) y Brazo de Plata y El Brazo) vs Los Villanos (Villano III (captain) y Villano IV y Villano V) 5) Cien Caras (captain) y Perro Aguayo y Sangre Chicano vs Los Infernales (El Satanico (captain) y MS-1 y Pirata Morgan) Also Paco Alonso will welcome the incoming UWA talent.

Since it's the end of the year, any end of the year awards for 1984? If everybody voted a top 3 list, where you could only have 1 from your promotion on it, I think you would get a fair result.

Seriously how many hall of famers and all time legends do you need?

Holy shit Delta and Galactar killed it with this amazing mascara match. This felt like a real fight with a great atmosphere and crowd. Although it was mostly hate filled, there was some crazy dives too. Such drama, plus broom attacks. If you are making a MOTY list without watching this match, your list will be lacking.

A press release from the CMLL has revealed their new roster after the merger of EMLL and UWA. The technicos will feature two main units, inlcuding: Los Brazos (Brazo de Oro y Brazo de Plata y El Brazo) and Los Caudillos (Sangre Chicana y Mocho Cota y La Fiera). EMLL had a great base of technicos and many will continue with CMLL: Perro Aguayo Cien Caras Atlantis Alfonso Dantes Ringo Mendoza Cachorro Mendoza MSuper Astro Solar Ultraman Tony Acre Vulcano Valente Fernandez Gran Cochisse Hombre Bala Tony Salazar Technicos arriving from UWA include: El Canek (when he is not on tour with NJPW) El Hijo del Santo Popitekus Rookie who is being trained by Ray Mendozza and is working spot shows Miguel perez Jr. will debut at Arena Mexico sometime, when Mendozza feels he is ready. The rudo side is loaded with trios units. Staying on from EMLL is Los Infernales (El Satanico y MS-1 y Pirata Morgan). While Los Missioneros de la Muerte (Negro Navarro y El Texano y El Signo) and Los Villanos (Villanos III, IV, y V) are coming in from the UWA. Rounded out the rudos staying from the EMLL: El Dandy Fuerza Guerrera Emilio Charles Jr. Espanto Jr. Jerry Estrada Talisman Kato Kung Lee Tony Benetto Moguro Coming over from the UWA is: Negro Casas Babe Face Black Terry Blue Panther