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Agree 100%, there have been numerous matches I've anticipated over the years which have fallen to this phenomenon. Big long awaited matches that end on all-out screwy Dusty finishes, for the sake of sequels are particular gripes for me. There's more than one way to create anticipation for a rematch. I think the Flair Vs Steamboat 2/3 falls match at the Clash did a good job of setting up the rematch without going into a full on screwy finish. I didn't feel cheated and felt like I had seen a great match but it still made sense for there to be another match.

Did you mean the 1991 Bash where Flair left the company? Yeah, that match WAS a let down! I think he meant 88, where Luger had Flair in the Torture Rack and the match was stopped for a small trickle of blood.

The recent podcast on Wrestlemania IV put me in mind of how difficult it is to pull off a great match that ends in a Time Limit Draw. Done well, it can be an exciting tension builder, wondering whether or not someone is going to pull out the victory before time runs out. Done poorly, it can be a boring display of restholds and strung together, meaningless spots. My current favorite is the Hennig vs Bockwinkel one hour draw from the AWA, which told a great story of the young gun getting more and more anxious to put away the veteran champ. On the other end of the spectrum is the recently discussed Jake Roberts vs Rick Rude Wrestlemania IV match. The Steamboat vs Flair epic from a year later would show how a headlock can be used and still have a match be exciting, but Rude uses it in this one to put the match (and audience) into the deep freeze. One match I enjoyed when I first saw it but didn't on subsequent viewings was the 5/7/1995 Manami Toyota vs Kyoko Inoue match that wont the WON Match of the Year. it just seemed to be a long stretch of two people rolling through their finishers then kicking out with no sense that anything might win the match for them. So what are your favorites and least favorites? What do you feel makes for a great time limit draw and what makes for a poor one?

Believe it or not I had a little voice in the back of my head telling me this. I even wrote it in my notes. In a rare glimpse behind the curtain, here is a screen shot of my notes: I didn't get a chance to look this up before recording and then during the show I sort of ruled out the idea of Perez being the WCCW champ in my mind as being preposterous. Texas is kind of a blind spot for me. This was a year after Black Bart was WCCW Champ, so it wasn't their best time. On the first Saturday Night's Main Event after WMIV, the specific reason given for One Man Gang getting the first title shot was that Savage didn't pin him in the tournament, so that gives credence to the theory that was why he was protected at Mania. Savage pinned him on the Main Event but only after botched manager interference. It was pretty much the last thing of note he did in the WWF under that gimmick. I seem to recall he had one more squash match before he abandonned his caucasian ways. Fun podcast, I loved the discussion of the buildup. WMIV was the first Mania that took place during my active wrestling viewership, I also enjoyed it at the time but progressively less so on subsequent viewings. One rumor I heard was that most of the wrestlers had been up late the night before, drinking and gambling, which is the reason for some of the more listless performances. Full credit to Steamboat for a solid match, which was probably sheer bloody mindedness on his part : one last "fuck you" to Vince for fucking him on the way out.

Re. Meltzer bringing up Al Perez in comparison with Hogan, Flair and Hennig ... wasn't Perez World Class champion at the time?

"In America, they think 100 years is a long time. In England, they think 100 miles is a long way."

I've been married for 14 years. Since I no longer care about attracting other women, I no longer care if anyone knows I am a wrestling fan. The only thing I've had to explain to my wife about goodhelmet is that he is not German. I'm still not sure if she believes me.

I have also found that if I am in the top level menu and click on the latest post, it says that the page can't be displayed. If I go down into the actual forum and click on the same post, it shows it with no trouble.

Mr. Hughes?

No way, man. You KNOW Andy would have loved it. I seem to recall multiple interviews with friends of Andy saying he would have loved how he kept being brought up in Memphis angles. Piledrivers : the secret cause of lung cancer since the early 80s.

If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice. Hands down the best Big Rock show I have ever seen was Rush last year.

Don't have the exact dates, but one seriously bad match involving good wrestlers took place around 1996 that was a ladder match between Great Sasuke and Super Boy. Nothing they tried was succesful and for a while afterwards I was convinced Super Boy sucked based on this match.

I remember Fralic being a guest host on WCW Saturday Night and he seemed to be hinting towards doing some more wrestling. I was always surprised he didn't do more in the business, even in just a guest appearance/referee role.

My favorite quote about Adonis came from the Barry Windham shoot where he talks about how Adonis worked stiff : "Everything he did was right there, if you came out of an Adrian Adonis match with a bloody nose it was no big deal."

Bierschwale seems to be saying that Shawn is better at manipulating emotionally crippled drug addicts than Triple H is. Whom that fits that description did Shawn manipulate? Possibly Sunny, Marty, who else?

It just makes me think of the podcast (Segunda Caida?) where they went through the entire WWE Hall Of Fame to that point and discussed which entrants were worse people than Ian Rotten. "I thought it was going to be 80%, it wound up being more like 30-40%."

Microscopic note on the podcast, re, Dustin leaving WCW/NWA at the same time as Dusty in December, 1988. Dustin was in the in-ring "Training Session" Rick Steamboat had in February of 1989, so it looks like he left slightly after Dusty did.

Reasonable, but I do think he is a subject worth a podcast. Perhaps in another forum, maybe Good Will Wrestling or Wrestling Culture?

I think a Triple H show would be very interesting, not a hatchet job but a precise, objective look at his work and legacy, inside and outside the ring.

Makes sense, the reason I mark my own lost years as ending in 2005 was because that is where I started getting wrestling comps again, including the 2005 MOTY set. Glad I will finally be able to bridge the gap in my wrestling knowledge.