soup23
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On one hand my favorite joshi matches usually mix in a great, emotional story along with the fast pace, but damn if this match didn't draw me in and make me smile throughout its duration. Really fun match mixing in a million spots and a really hot finishing stretch between Aja and Toyota. This may be the 2/4/94 MPro tag of 1990 for me. -
Really awesome segment with Jeannie doing a great heel promo talking about how every guy watching her on tv is lusting after her. The brawl was good and Toni rushing down really showed a lot of fire in her interaction and promo. Anybody thinking ECW was the first company to produce "catfights" is mistaken.
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Gran Hamada is probably the most appropriate guy I can think for me in regards to this topic. I have seen him have some really good matches and I have no problem with people touting his influence but his in ring work gets really heavily pimped and most of the time I see him as a crisper version of Tiger Mask and that he also had a good share of off nights. Surprised you didn't think either Muraco/Backlund match was nom worthy Will. I enjoyed the 60 minute draw a good deal but could see it as marginal. The last time I watched the Texas Death Match a couple of years ago, I thought it was one of the best matches in the 80's for WWF.
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3 weeks in and the angle is still going real strong for me. Crowd seems electric and I love the feel of everything that goes on between the interaction of Lawler/Eddie Marlin/Snowman. Lawler also had some even better than usual punches for him in his match with Thompson.
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I have been scared to watch this match for the past 5 days. This is really the last match I can think of right off hand that might get GOAT consideration that I have not seen before. Maybe Casas/Santo from 1987 would apply also. I need a few days to reprocess and will need to rewatch but this was certainly a wonderful performance by both men. 30 minutes of mostly mat work that never felt like it dragged and had intensity ratcheting up throughout the match. I always wonderful what it would feel like at this point in my wrestling life to watch a match I might consider the best of all time. Now I have seen this match and the feeling is sublime. MOTY and I can't see anything coming really close.
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Lucha is huge on schtick especially in trios, but just as there are multiple ways to work a trios match, the best workers have multiple routines. The Brazos and Infernales are good examples of this. Casas, Dandy, Panther, Santo etc. are all great workers, but they basically wrestled the same match again and again depending on the stip. Most of the time there's a comfort in that as Jerry alluded to, but El Hijo del Santo, in particular, is one of the most repetitive workers of all time. Not arguing that lucha doesn't have sctick. Just that the schtick or familar spots they do doesn't annoy me or seem really illogical like the Flair flip does to me. Santo was actually the guy I thought might be the closest to what the topic is saying because I think in many of his matches, he doesn't sell enough for his opponent but I probably haven't seen enough of him to make a full hypothesis.
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Oh man pumped to listen to that.
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Glad to see the bockwinkel match listed from the All Japan set. I think it bordered on a great match but really featured superb selling from Funk and real good technical wrestling. The selling from Funk was emotional without being goofy which walks a thin line in most cases. I am vastly uninformed on Funk for the 1970's and really a lot of his sprinkled legacy run of the 1990's - 2000's but one thing that maybe someone can point me to is a case of Funk taking a lesser worker to a great match. Most of my favorite Funk matches (jumbo, Flair X 2, Lawler, Hansen) are all time classics but feature both workers being all time greats. I just would like to see a match in Funk's history that strikes me like Jumbo/Slator from Carnival 1980 or Jumbo/Mil Mascaras from 1982. Hopefully someone can point me in the direction of a match like that and I would perfer it to not be an all out brawl. Funk's match vs. Sabu from 2/28/94 I enjoyed quite a bit but I still would call it more as really fun than great and in fact it was the ceiling for my top 100 from 1994 in that regard.
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You will see when we get there Parv but this is why I think the York Foundation was one of the great lost gimmicks because of the "computer's" ability to give data based strategy. Thinking about this topic more, I think lucha guys in a lot of ways are less prominent to having these patterns. I am a pretty big novice in lucha so maybe someone else can chime in, but I can't think of many instances where someone like Dandy, Casas, or Panther do little things in almost every match that sort of annoy me like Flair and even Lawler and Funk do. Part of this may be the concept of mostly trios matches where there workload is reduced and even lack of footage but on the surface it just doesn't seem as prevalent to me. In addition to the examples mentioned before I will also mention Jumbo's whiny complaining and finger pointing at certain points in matches. At times, it didn't make him look like a sympathetic babyface at all.
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To me Flair is the prime example. One of my GOAT contenders but man did his "formula" spots piss me off. I don't really like the devaluation of the figure four, the Flair flip, or the Tommy Young bump at all. I can forgive him coming off the top rope more than the above three examples because at least he did win big matches with the crossbody but still as an accountant, I would never advise someone to risk something if it only had about a 3% chance of working which is what the crossbody percentage probably generously amounted to.
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Really love the Lawler/Miz match also and probably put it along with the Lawler/Doctor vs. Dundee/Doctor tag as my favorite stuff from Lawler from 2008 onward. Really wish someone would have edited the Michael Cole Wrestlemania match as the crowd was poised to pop for Lawler but the match went on for so long that it really killed most of the card until HHH vs. Taker.