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Isn't this a bit of an old-school kinda racist gimmick anyway ? The hot white woman and the heel black guy ? It's exactly what Doom were in the days with Woman. It's weird that Jay Lethal and Cedric Alexander have in a way done that in ROH with Taeler Hendrix and Veda Scott respectively but both are not blonde bombshells like a Lana for example and both never really generated racist heat.

Also a bizarro world where these two girls are getting close to $30k a month for posting photos of themselves from sponsors and apps like the Kardashians. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3597854/Meet-Belfie-Queens-Nadia-Dana-Bruna-Florida-earning-20-000-month-posting-pictures-enormous-surgically-enhanced-posteriors-Instagram.html

Who are you talking about? Fakeplastictrees is probably talking about Kim Kardashian and he wouldn't be off by that assessment. Whether it is Kim K, Jen Selter, having a bigger butt is in pop culture. Look at this Vogue article and you would think that this is a new phenomenon where historians can trace back to Saartje Baartman as a black woman with a big butt being sort of a sideshow freak thing. I thought fakeplastictress post was interesting but also problematic as I can see were it can come off as "policing black people." I immediately thought of Cam Newton and Russell Wilson because of the reactions they garner from sports fans as quarterbacks that are black. Cam is more beloved in the black community because he outwardly embraces hip hop culture and isn't forgiving about it. Russell is different and he feels like more of the "establishment quarterback" as he does all the right things and doesn't make waves (until recently with his speech at Wisconsin and even then a lot of people loved his speech) but he's not viewed as "less black" than Cam cause he's being himself. The current crop of black wrestlers now are being more of themselves like fakeplastictrees said but I think there can be more layers to each wrestler than has been seen. When we look back on Jay Lethal's career, this ROH World Title is what we look at first. It's not going to be "Black Machismo". Lethal being a classic NWA World Champion of a promotion is what he's always wanted his character to be instead of being impersonator guy that is black. As mentioned before, New Day are being themselves. WWE has let their black wrestlers be mostly themselves lately but R-Truth is always a maybe. With Naomi, I don't see her as a "black character" as more as she got tired of being screwed over and turned into a person with a chip on here shoulder and has an edge. She's been smiley babyface and it didn't work. Like Luchaundead said, she might be in the middle. With Sasha, her real life personality might not be Sasha Banks but listening to her interviews has made me realize that she ain't that far from that character as you would think. Her outside of wrestling looks more alternative but she doesn't deny her blackness and embraces it. Other wrestlers like Lio Rush, ACH, Cedric Alexander, Ricochet, AR Fox, Moose, etc. are being themselves on the indies.The MVP, Kenny King, Bobby Lashley group made me watch TNA, which I never do, because they were themselves and those three guys are very different from each other. We need more wrestlers being themselves and not just black wrestlers. It can be applied to every wrestler. If stereotypes come up in their character now, it's will be pretty obvious in 2016 that someone is playing it up for cheap stereotype reaction from crowds or is that really their own personality.

As a black man in America, I view them as black from their skin color and African heritage because that's how others have viewed me. I have lots a friends that are mixed raced but they view themselves as black in terms of skin color as well because what the outside world has said. But that's where it stops. I posted that list cause I happened to stumble upon that thread (I was actually looking for the WWECW thread) and it caught my attention that only 2 were in the top 100. A lot of those wrestlers are totally different from each other besides them having Black-African heritage in their gene pool and wouldn't expect them to be "act black" but just wrestle. But I might not be the one that Luchaundead is asking the question.

Ricochet is half black like Aja Kong, The Rock, and Sasha Banks. (Also like our current President - President Obama)

I know Tazz wasn't but Mero duped me and I'm black. He was basically playing Little Richard in WCW.

This is a joke on purpose, right ? Mero is italian. Like Kevin Sullivan said "Why do you take a cracka to play a brotha ?" Isn't this topic a little racist anyway ? No. I swear to god I had no idea Mero was not black. He's darker than some people on this list. I'm taking him out now.

I went into the Megathread for something else but I found this thread on who is the Best Black Wrestler. Reading through it, I made a list of the results from the GWE. I included Carlos Colon because looking at him, he looks Afro-Latino. I could've put in other Puerto Ricans like Savio Vega and Homicide but I thought Colon was obvious. Surprisingly no JYD. 49) Aja Kong (4085 points, 83 ballots, 39.89 avg, high: 3 - anarchistxx, 2006: 18) 91) Too Cold Scorpio (2521 points, 74 ballots, 67.27 avg, high: 1 - Mando>Eddie, 2006: 145) 101) The Rock (2228 points, 57 ballots, 61.93 avg, high: 8 - anonymous, 2006: 64) 103) Carlos Colon (2185 points, 56 ballots, 61.98 avg, high: 12 - El Boricua, 2006: honorable mention) 136) Butch Reed (1189 points, 38 ballots, 69.71 avg, high: 24 - anonymous, 2006: honorable mention) 156) Mark Henry (1007 points, 37 ballots, 73.78 avg, high: 42 - Phil Rippa, 2006: unranked) 234) Abdullah the Butcher (396 pts, 17 ballots, 77.71 avg, high: 32 - El Boricua, 2006: honorable mention) 238) Sasha Banks (360 pts, 13 ballots, 73.31 avg, high: 22 - Scarlet-Left, 2006: unranked) 248) Booker T (316 pts, 12 ballots, 74.67 avg, high: 16 - Mando>Eddie, 2006: honorable mention) 250) Koko B Ware (312 pts, 10 ballots, 69.80 avg, high: 19 - Mando>Eddie, 2006: unranked) 251) Ernie Ladd (311 pts, 14 ballots, 78.79 avg, high: 44 - NotJayTabb, 2006: honorable mention) 270) Ricochet (275 pts, 13 ballots, 79.85 avg, high: 46 - jackwebb, 2006: unranked) 274) Clive Myers (271 pts, 12 ballots, 78.42 avg, high: 54 - PeteF3, 2006: honorable mention) 279) Ron Simmons (239 pts, 8 ballots, 71.13 avg, high: 24 - Scarlet-Left, 2006: unranked) 352) Kamala (128 pts, 7 ballots, 82.71 avg, high: 50 - ChuckScumm, 2006: unranked) 355) New Jack (124 pts, 6 ballots, 80.30 avg, high: 25 - Mando>Eddie, 2006: unranked) 387) Norman Smiley (97 pts, 6 ballots, 84.83 avg, high: 45 - anonymous, 2006: unranked) 466) Bob Sapp (35 pts, 1 ballot, 66.00 avg, high: 66 - anonymous, 2006: unranked) 519) Rufus R. Jones (14 pts, 1 ballot, 87.00 avg, high: 87 - Dean Rasmussen, 2006: unranked) 557) Kofi Kingston (1 pt, 1 ballot, 100.00 avg, high: 100 - Jimmy Redman, 2006: unranked)

I went into the Megathread for something else but I found this thread. Reading through it, I made a list of the results from the GWE. I included Carlos Colon because looking at him, he looks Afro-Latino. I could've put in other Puerto Ricans like Savio Vega and Homicide but I thought Colon was obvious. Surprisingly no JYD. 49) Aja Kong (4085 points, 83 ballots, 39.89 avg, high: 3 - anarchistxx, 2006: 18) 91) Too Cold Scorpio (2521 points, 74 ballots, 67.27 avg, high: 1 - Mando>Eddie, 2006: 145) 101) The Rock (2228 points, 57 ballots, 61.93 avg, high: 8 - anonymous, 2006: 64) 103) Carlos Colon (2185 points, 56 ballots, 61.98 avg, high: 12 - El Boricua, 2006: honorable mention) 136) Butch Reed (1189 points, 38 ballots, 69.71 avg, high: 24 - anonymous, 2006: honorable mention) 156) Mark Henry (1007 points, 37 ballots, 73.78 avg, high: 42 - Phil Rippa, 2006: unranked) 234) Abdullah the Butcher (396 pts, 17 ballots, 77.71 avg, high: 32 - El Boricua, 2006: honorable mention) 238) Sasha Banks (360 pts, 13 ballots, 73.31 avg, high: 22 - Scarlet-Left, 2006: unranked) 248) Booker T (316 pts, 12 ballots, 74.67 avg, high: 16 - Mando>Eddie, 2006: honorable mention) 250) Koko B Ware (312 pts, 10 ballots, 69.80 avg, high: 19 - Mando>Eddie, 2006: unranked) 251) Ernie Ladd (311 pts, 14 ballots, 78.79 avg, high: 44 - NotJayTabb, 2006: honorable mention) 270) Ricochet (275 pts, 13 ballots, 79.85 avg, high: 46 - jackwebb, 2006: unranked) 274) Clive Myers (271 pts, 12 ballots, 78.42 avg, high: 54 - PeteF3, 2006: honorable mention) 279) Ron Simmons (239 pts, 8 ballots, 71.13 avg, high: 24 - Scarlet-Left, 2006: unranked) 352) Kamala (128 pts, 7 ballots, 82.71 avg, high: 50 - ChuckScumm, 2006: unranked) 355) New Jack (124 pts, 6 ballots, 80.30 avg, high: 25 - Mando>Eddie, 2006: unranked) 387) Norman Smiley (97 pts, 6 ballots, 84.83 avg, high: 45 - anonymous, 2006: unranked) 466) Bob Sapp (35 pts, 1 ballot, 66.00 avg, high: 66 - anonymous, 2006: unranked) 519) Rufus R. Jones (14 pts, 1 ballot, 87.00 avg, high: 87 - Dean Rasmussen, 2006: unranked) 557) Kofi Kingston (1 pt, 1 ballot, 100.00 avg, high: 100 - Jimmy Redman, 2006: unranked) Edit: Took out Mero.

Matt, I'm kind of surprised you liked this match considering you are not a Volador fan.

AJW ran two shows in bigger buildings in the 80's. They ran Budokan Hall on 8/22/85 with Chigusa vs Devil and Jaguar vs Lioness. Then they ran Sumo Hall in April 1986.

Just watched this match and boy it was good. I really dug the matwork in the opening caida. I'm in the minority here on this board because I don't love maestros grappling and hold trading but this stuff was really good. It didn't feel like an exhibition which some of indy maestro style matches sometimes develop into. It like an actual competition and these two wanted to win badly. I almost wish the match went longer. That's how good it was. Wouldn't mind if we got a rematch.

This channel has chunks of late 90s and early 2000s Joshi including ARSION, GAEA, LLPW, and some dying days of AJW.

Look at who Reigns is facing in a triple threat match May 20th on a house show in Utica. Very uninteresting. http://theuticaaud.com/event/wwe-live-2/

I disagree with Kevin Owens not being interesting because a lot of people are into him. For me, I was not a fan of his Kevin Steen work but he's had two interesting programs with Zayn and Cena (maybe Ambrose also cause the build with those two was better than Ambrose vs Lesnar). Now with MITB, I agree with they need to get rid of that concept but the PPV is on the books for them and WWE isn't giving any indication of getting rid of it.

I'm surprised nobody mentioned Owens. He's seems to be the leading guy I would bet to win MITB. With Owens you can milk him holding the briefcase longer than Rollins had it being the annoying heel who can cash it in. They worked a Raw match before but a Reigns vs Owens match with a proper build would be interesting.

Fuji was a Japanese American. He had some Japanese hertiage even though he was born in Hawaii. You mentioned Adnan playing a Native American and that's similar to playing blackface cause that's not his heritage and it would be insulting for actual Native Americans to see. Let's be modern here for a second: Thea Trinidad and Sara Stock played Mexicans named Rosita and Sarita in TNA. Trinidad is Puerto Rican and Stock is Canadian. Was it radically progressive when they were in the ring Hernadez and I forget the other guy having Cinco De Mayo in the ring as heels?

Next to J-B-I love puro and Otto Wanz-L and Michael Cole? I don't really see it.Have you listened to him? He comes off as a dweeb, a dork, a wimp. So, with all the problematic racist things in wrestling how did making fun of Byron even come up? You are allowed to make fun of black people, you just can't make fun of him for being black. They've never done that, they just make dumb jokes about a coworker. Yes I agree. Byron is a complete cornball but he's playing his role as cornball announcer for the babyfaces. I don't hate him like other people do because he's doing his job. However, I've seen people on social media say that Byron is only there on Raw because he's the token black guy. WWE does keep one black male minimum in terms of announcers whether it was Booker T, David Otunga on the Raw Pre Show or Byron now. Not the case with the female ring announcers but that's another story. With WWE, it wouldn't surprise me if they had Byron out there so they can look diverse. They used philanthropy as part of their marketing so they fall in line with other corporations that do the same thing with philanthropy, diversity, or any other corporate buzz word they have.

Exactly

I can see him working more Elite than CMLL. CMLL looks like they want to focus on Golfen Magic as their Indy newcomer. Also depends if the En Busco tournament is coming back.

His records can hold up for me (and I'm talking for me) because I have a personal connection to the music. Plus I was raised when hip hop was already here. The limitations you talk about are the linguistics of hip hop culture not connecting universally like regular singers do. But even then, not everybody' is going to connect with a Curtis Mayfield. Doesn't matter how old or young you are, stuff might not connect with you. Certain things are not palatable for certain people but you have to try it before you write it off. Certain sections of wrestling can be applied the same. The thing with the GWE and I said this in the Wrestling Today thread is that the climate of this board tends towards older wrestling. Most of the podcasts here cover the history of the territories. Where is the show covering 90s EMLL and AAA cards? BTS does it on certain episodes but that's it. Where is the Battlarts podcast? Bill Thompson does a WOS podcast but it's on another site. Certain wrestlers were pimped but not to a certain extent for the PWO audience.

I'm a huge hip-hop aficinado as some of you know, and I could see an argument where the #1 rap guy doesn't make the overall 100. Like, say GZA from Wu-Tang would make my top 5 hip-hop artists list easily, but I don't know if he makes my top 100 artists overall list. Cos I'm just not sure if hip-hop has the real depth or emotional maturity of some other forms of music. I would also say that I'm not sure if there's anyone here who has a deeper respect or understanding for hip-hop than I do on this board -- it's possible, but I've got to be up there. I don't want to make equivalences across to wrestling, becuase I am done talking about specific wrestlers, but I think it's possible to side-line entire styles, even ones you love and value, and be fine with it. Parv, I'm guessing you never listened to a Big KRIT record. Lots of emotional maturity in his albums. Hip hop has depth and a lot of it is tied to the Black experience. Very similar looking at that to other wrestling around the world. There are character aspects I don't connect with certain wrestlers from around the globe cause it's tied so much to that native culture. Take a wrestler like Atlantis. Never really stuck to me but I have respect for him. But Mexicans love him.

You are not alone. I liked the match cause it was what it was supposed to be. I wasn't expecting limb work from these two. Granted Volador Jr is starting to annoy me in that he's doing a lot of the same stuff but I thought Dorada really brought it. UG is starting to be one of my favorites this year. Quentin, when is the next Sorpresa Lucha podcast coming?

Places like Twitter, Facebook and Reddit have taken the message boards, the chat rooms and the groups to the masses to where people don't have to feel a certain type of way when going to message board. I can talk wrestling, music, movies, politics, etc with people on a macro level on those sites. Being part of technology is accepted now where as it wasn't 20 years ago on a macro level. Granted I still post on message boards cause it gives a place for a longer more thought out views. With PWO, the climate of the site skews toward older wrestling. It was not like that when I joined the site right when you guys broke off from DVDVR. But what Dylan coins the "footage explosion" era happened with stuff from the past being uploaded to YouTube and Dailymotion constantly so that a lot of people who didn't have the money to constantly buy tapes or didn't tape trade finally had access to footage. For me, I stopped watching wrestling as a whole around the time and when I came back to this site, it was great cause I was finding all of this stuff that I never knew exist. However, time has passed since I've started watching wrestling regularly and now I go to VOW or Wrestling with Words for modern stuff now cause I'm enjoying modern wrestling. I heard Dylan voicing his frustration on the Wrestling Culture Reaction to the GWE Project before I went to work and I understand his point of view but I think the climate wasn't going to produce a wide range of thoughts on certain wrestlers. Most of the topics on PWO are on older wrestling. Most of PWO's podcasts are reflecting on older wrestling (which they are fun to listen to btw) The results were going to reflect to that audience. I missed submitting a ballot cause I got busy with stuff in my personal life. My ballot would've been different than a lot of people on this board cause I have different tastes. But I'm just one vote. It wouldn't have changed a whole lot in the results.

Hasn't said anything on Twitter. He liked this tweet https://twitter.com/felonious_munk/status/723024031868432384