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Yeah, it was a complete mess. I'll say this though, there's something somewhat compelling about blown-up Lesnar sweating like a pig throwing people around and elbowing them in the head to make them bleed. I mean, Lesnar has a presence still that no one really has. Sure, the match was garbage, Roman throwing a hundred superman punches was a compelling as it sounds, as where the dozen finisher kick-outs, but I dunno, I'd rather watch a Lesnar complete car-crash than your run-of-the-mill decent Roman match. Of course I'd rather have anything other than these two propositions, really. But yeah, that match was pretty damn awful and a complete failure in the end, like most Lesnar have ended up being since he got into Suplex City mode as opposed to kick-ass MMA beast.

That gets overlooked here. Cena is a fucking trooper. And as far as presence, aura and star power, he's still above everyone else, as demonstrated by the whole "sit in the crowd/reaction shots/Elias angle" combo and the way he reacted to Taker's entrance. The guy is still at that level.

It's odd because for all the talk of Vince not wanting anyone being bigger than the company anymore, he sure still insists on creating the next Hogan/Austin/Rock/Cena. Since the WWE brand is bigger than anything and that the McMahons are the stars of the show (and really, after yesterday, Stephy really was), why not just run with a bunch of people on top without having to try and create and Ace ? Then if someone gets over to that degree, ride him as long as you can. It's not like a Steve Austin is gonna exist for every generation. You can't create a megastar, especially going against your own audience.

I'm not pretending. He's fully capable of following a good lead and has gotten pretty great at selling/bumping, but his offense is garbage finisher spam, at least for the big matches I've seen over the last 4 years. Agreed. The superman punch spamming is just dreadful to me, not to mention the spot itself is pretty goofy anyway as a one shot. I'm not making any narrative nor do I search excuses when I say I don't see shit in Roman Reigns as a top level guy. He's overrated as all hell now because of the pendulum effect, he gets way too much credit when he has a really good match considering who he's been working with. He's not bad, he's not great either. He's an ok guy put into position to work WWEtm epics.

You're just trying to get attention on yourself, as showed by the way you like to point at your "odd views" all the times. You're not exchanging, you're just trying to get yourself over and you are derailing threads with stupid shit about "white power prevailing" and comapring the Usos to the Crush Gals or ROH with LLPW and other nonsensical stuff. This is what a troll does, derailing threads to get attention on himself.

Come on, her brother used to go toe to toe on the mat with Olympic Gold medal Kurt Angle. This is a family of fighter. But yeah, that was the only moment where I though "Oh, shit, seriously ?". The whole match was still glorious though, the finish being an all-time classic with Stephy actually showing how good she can be when she wants to (too bad it's 5% of the time).

Back on track. Am I the only why waiting for Stacy's insane report ? She must have lost her shit with the Rousey match.

And another thread got derailed by stupid shit about "just my odd views" and "real sports logic". Did you watch Mania ? Anthing relevant to say about it ? Can you use capitalization and punctuation as a sign of respect toward the other users ? For fuck's sake.

How over was he last night ? A mix of boos and apathy. After 4 years of straight push to the moon, that's pretty poor honestly. Blaming the "annoying smart fans" is a cop out at this point. This simply doesn't work. It weighs in on the whole product because no one gets nearly the same opportunity and it leaves a sour taste every year at Mania (and during the entire build). Last night was almost Vince losing his shit and tell the people "Ok, you don't like Roman ? I'll fuck him up myself then !". Of course he'll wake up today thinking about new ways of getting him over as the babyface Ace...

Agreed. You can't just go on forever, especially when the streak wasn't really that over anyway. Both girls come off the match bigger than they came in, they tore the place down, they arguably had the second best match of the show. And it's obvious Charlotte vs Rousey is the direction to go. It doesn't hurt Asuka in the least, she's more than just a streak gimmick. Still can get over how great Rousey looked.

This card was fucking crazy. I actually dreamed about this thread.

Ok. Road to Mania #5. The Roman Express.

Is the WWE on Arabian TV behind by 10 years? No. But it's telling how they think about middle-eastern countries. HHH was the main event in India too.

Bruce Prichard would tell you you can't understand why because you don't know how it works...

Yep. I'm the best. Thanks for the thread guys. The sun has risen already. I've got mixed feeling... go to bed or get a breakfast ? Really? I am living east of you and it is still pitch-dark here. I was just adding a dramatic effect. It is actually still dark. And no, this wasn't the best Mania of all-time after all. The most WTF, without a doubt though, with the amazing Rousey debut, NICHOLAS and that main-event of doom.

Earlier today : Yep. I'm the best. Thanks for the thread guys. The sun has risen already. I've got mixed feeling... go to bed or get a breakfast ?

LOL Next year at Mania, Roman Reigns will be over like crazy as a babyface. That main event was completely stupid. Rousey was ACE.

"Boring" I feel like it was the same last time out too. Crowd peaked with the Hardys then. Peaked with Ronda this year. The shows are too damn long. I'd argue Daniel Bryan got them back and they really peaked with him a last time. But yeah, Rousey should have closed the show. That main event is terrible.

Kicking out of finishers yaddi yaddi yadda. This is the self-conscious non-epic of the night.

Superman punches Suplex City Superman Punches Suplex City Superman Punches Yawwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnn

Roman with his super intensely bored look. SHUT THE FUCK UP HEYMAN ! It's almost 6 in the morning !

Lesnar retains. You can quote me... aww fuck. DODO !!!! PITIE !!!!

This thread is keeping me awake more than Mania at this point. That being said and all joking aside, this show has been pretty crazy. Damn, Roman's muted intro is embarrassing for an ACE.

That's impossible, he's the most over wrestler ever... Roman : boos + apathy = Fourth crowing at Mania in a row. BRING BACK NICHOLAS !!!!

The Young Bucks would have superkicked the little bastard at least...